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Trust me, if we’re not careful and vigilant, we will see such barbarism foisted on the United States if we don’t work to maintain the separation of church and state.

Do you know any case (at all) where a non-believer (in any faith) converted to a religion?

And:

Do you know any cases where atheist-parents hurt their children/other family members, for believing?

Maybe this is just BS-questions, but I was thinking of how strong this argument could be against religion. I also know that atheism isn’t a “community” or organisation, but in the name of reason (=P), has any of the above ever occured?

They swear to uphold and protect mother church above all else – in other words protecting the church is _by their own law_ more important than protecting innocent children.

It might seem a bit awkward, but I will argue that this whole situation fits the archetypical Genesis story of the Fall.

First of all, the ancient story: Adam and Eve were in the Paradise. Then they eat the forbidden fruit. They “were tempted by Satan”. Satan has tempted Eve and Eve has tempted Adam. Then they realised their imperfection and they were ashamed. God has asked them, what happened? Adam’s said, it was Eve’s fault. Eve’s said, it was the Satan, who’s tempted her. The result: all three of them are struck by a curse, they are to leave Paradise and earn their living by hard work.

The parallel: In the present, the RC Church is very ashamed that some of its priests had abused children. (This would be the forbidden fruit) Also, it is struck by its own imperfection and starts to hide because of the shame (it has a reason why did they cover up the facts ‘de facto’ and why they did not hide it ‘de iure’…). The victims and the secular world asks it: what happened? However, besides feeling ashamed (like this would be enough), the head of the church doesn’t assume responsibility, others accuse Satan, saying that the whole reason this is happening is that Satan is waging a war against the “Holy” See and the Church of “God”.

The new story fits almost completely the archetypical story, the only difference being that at the end of the Genesis story they all have to leave Paradise. This is the only scene left. They have to give up their privileges of being “the favourites of God”, and work for their daily income as everybody else.

Hope it wasn’t too preachy, if it was, forgive me.

Anyways, as far as I’m concerned (the way I was raised anyway), respect is *earned*, not given willy-nilly. How little would your respect mean if you just gave it to everyone, no questions asked?

Me, I respect people for accomplishing things, having good ideas or often just being good, decent people. Religion on the other hand has done NOTHING do deserve any kind of respect.

Which is not an excuse to piss in anybody else’s cornflakes. I’m not going to lecture my Catholic neighbour (who I get along great with), because I actually respect him as a decent guy! And of course, the subject hardly ever comes up. But if he was an asshole (or a fire and brimstone preacher), I’d be up his ass like Lemmywinks the Gerbil!

But yeah, who wants a kid to grow up in THAT kind of environment?