TGA Podcast: Episode 176

TGA Podcast: Episode 176

This week, our Bible Stories campaign gets resurrected from the dead, and we talk about gun control in America. I expect there to be lots of discussion, so please be sure to leave your thoughts in the comments!

Comments (14)

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    Richard

    I always cringe when people who don’t know anything about guns talk about guns. I agree largely with you Jake, but it wasn’t a machine gun (it was an assault rifle), it doesn’t fire 60 rounds per minute (more like 600 actually) and ‘carbine powered’ doesn’t even make sense logically. A carbine is just a shorter-barrel rifle.

    Maybe it’s too much to ask people know a thing or two about guns, I don’t know. Most of what I learned has been from playing FPS games and the occasional wiki page, so I tend to feel as though it’s not.

    My thoughts on gun control are basically this: Canada has it right. Safety course, permit, no concealed carries, no full-auto, no extended magazines, no sawed-offs, no SMGs or LMGs. Bolt-Action rifles, shotguns and pistols are fine. Semi-automatic rifles I’m uncomfortable with, but I could be swayed in favour. Fully-automatic… no way.

    Also, the argument that you need guns to fight the government is just retarded. Especially in the US. If you think a couple thousand men with rifles can take on the US military: the fighters, the bombers, the subs, the destroyers, the helicopters, the missiles not to mention the nukes, you’re retarded. Besides, when you need the freedom to have guns you won’t have it, and when you have it you won’t need it. When the government decides to take over everything, it’s not going to let you legally acquire guns. So the end result is always going to be the same. In the case that an armed uprising is called for, it won’t be an uprising filled with people who bought their guns at walmart, it’ll be people who went underground and got their guns on the black market. So while the government isn’t completely tyrannical, why not same a few lives and try to limit the kinds of guns and the kinds of people who can buy those guns?

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    Xe

    Rich,
    You make some great points. I’ve always been hard right wing on gun control but you’ve swayed me a bit more towards the value of gun control. And yea I think it may be asking too much for ppl to know the subtle differences in guns. :p most people have no clue.

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    Jerry Howell

    As a very well trained person with all weapons, and that training coming from the four years in the service and twenty years in law enforcement, the idea of SOMEONE having a weapon inside that theater would have stopped this mad man is STUPID! Fucking tear gas, dark, and an unknown threat shooting at you but you are suppose to jump up and put three COM in the pert! Someone is watching way too much TV.

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    netyeti

    I do find it ludicrous that some people will argue that having a gun present in the theater would have stopped the shooter. Sure, there is a 1/1000 chance that it would have helped, but given the poor visibility, I would be willing to bet that an armed civilian would have just shot other movie-goers by accident.

    While I do also agree that there is a link between the number of guns and the number of gun-related injuries/deaths, I do also think that there is potentially another cause for the incidents. Take into account New Hampshire, which has a low number of gun incidents, but also has so few gun restrictions that even open-carry is permitted. Switzerland is another example, with universal military service, once discharged, the Swiss citizen takes their firearm with them in order to serve as a member of the militia (in the event of an invasion). Which gives Switzerland a higher per-capita gun ownership than the United States, but still lower numbers of gun violence. TLDR: it’s not as simple as “more guns=more violence therefore less guns=less violence”.

    That being said, I do agree with Jacob that it’s silly that we require a license to operate a vehicle, but not to buy a gun. I feel that if you do want to purchase a firearm, you should be able to demonstrate a stable mental state, a thorough knowledge of gun safety, a comprehension of your state’s self-defense laws, etc… Anything less is somewhat irresponsible.

    Also, I’m disappointed that Carisa always looks for disappointing things in people she meets. I was looking for something to be disappointed about in her, and now I’m sad to see that I’ve found it. (j/k of course)

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    SeanS

    Carissa, you can carry a rifle/shotgun. Preferably (possibly required to be) in a case and it must be secured (trigger lock etc) and unloaded, preferably with the ammunition separately secured.

    That said, you’ll probably cause a commotion and in certain areas like city hall and someone will probably call the police. That’s why a generic gun case is a good idea, one that doesn’t advertise that it’s a gun case. You’ll probably still be stopped by police if they see you but, you shouldn’t be busted for it.

    Restricted weapons (handguns) have (surprise!) more restricted regulations and I’m not sure how you could follow those regulations without a car. Secured unloaded weapon in locked case in backpack/bike pannier bag perhaps?

    PS Like cars, guns should be registered and I’m a gun owner.

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    Real Men Prey

    You all bring up very good points: so glad this didn’t turn into some polarized talking points thing. NetYeti, I really like your comment on rebelling against the government being nearly impossible, especially with the presence of nuclear weapons.

    I’m in agreement with everyone; moderation is key. Pistols/Shotguns/Rifles, with training, are good things. You don’t need to have a fully-automatic weapon to defend yourself.

    Today, I saw, on Facebook, an image that stated “Guns and God, they’re all an American needs.” Great to know that there are so many other Americans who actually have a head on their shoulders!

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    netyeti

    @RMP
    While I appreciate the praise, I believe that it was Richard that discussed the issue of feasibility of armed rebellion granted by the second amendment. I completely agree with his sentiments, which is why I didn’t feel the need to address it in my post.

    At the time that the United States Bill of Rights was written, the height of firearm tech was the gun-smithed muskets, cavalry & sabres, and cannon artillery. Items that, “by hook or by crook”, could be obtained by the population, and it was the fear that the people could rise up again that would keep the politicians honest.

    Trying to expand that out to the weapons of today to the population of today is . . . I have no words.

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    Dani J

    While the most popular subject present in this episode is gun control, I am commenting on Carisa’s request to know if other people felt the same as her about the belief system of friends.

    First, a little background: I was brought up as a Southern Baptist and then “Non-Denominatin”/Evangelical (regular exorcisms, massive 2 week revivals and speaking in tongues…) and began my “fall from grace” in high school. It was a long and hard process that is only just now, at 25, finally stabilizing into something that I stand for. I haven’t quite become “public” with my new belief system…or lack thereof, but the time is here.

    I am finally confident enough to face the people in my life that very may well disown or shun me for what I believe…or don’t believe. The good thing is, for other reasons I have already estranged a good number of these people and I won’t have to hear their opinion on anything they might here about me.

    That said, I find that what a person believes is pertinent in my decision to make a new friend. Nothing is set in stone and there are always exceptions to the rules, but I find that I have an incredibly hard time maintaining a relationship with someone who is a strict follower of something that I find ludicrous and even delusional. Especially because so much of my time is spent reading Atheist and science blogs and listening to their usually accompanying podcasts and sometimes even joining in on some of the forum discussions or debates that are directly arguing for Atheism or against the blind belief of a violent god.

    Since this is such a big part of my life it is something that I do not wish to have to walk on egg shells about around anyone. I don’t want to invite someone to my house and feel obligated to hide things that might offend them, I don’t want to be invited to church twice a week every week by a “concerned” friend, and I don’t want to have “let’s pray about it” as a piece of advice given to me in a time of peril or discomfort.

    I find that a lot of religious people are actively trying to “witness” to people and get a higher number of conversions for their church and I find it revolting. I mentioned that I live in the heart of the bible belt, didn’t I? It’s ridiculous.

    So, yes I “screen” my friends and don’t usually get particularly close to people who have radical and absurd beliefs because it’s the opposite from my own personality and set of beliefs. That said, my best friend of more than a decade and a half is a believer and so are the few people I remain close to in my immediate family. But as I said before, there are always exceptions to the rule.

    I hope this helped ease the loneliness of disbelief for Carisa and other like-minded people. :)

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    Jonathan

    Go see DKR. Catwoman is one of the redeeming roles in that film. I am sure when Nolan cast A Knight’s Tale’s Heath Ledger as the Joker you were skeptical too.

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    Phillip Spring

    The problem with with gun control in the US is it’s a very slippery slope and gun owners have been screwed a few times by our government. Federal and State. Back in the early 90’s California decided to set in motion a plan to ban all full auto guns. They asked people to register their M-16 and full auto AR-15 rifles. They said they just wanted a count. People complied and a few months later they were served warrants accompanied by swat teams taking these weapons. A few months later they asked people to register their AK-47 and SKS and other guns that could be easily modified for full auto and people just said fuck off. This included local militia organizations which California fears.

    I am a gun owner and a member of the NRA. But most gun nuts do not like me because i am in favor of “sane” gun control. You cannot ban accessories for guns just because you think they look scary. you cannot ban a gun because you think it looks scary. But i am in favor of making sure someone knows what to do with a gun. I think 1 test shot with the local sheriff’s dept is good so you guns rifling and firing pin impact is known. So when they pull a bullet out of someone or find spent shell casings at a shooting they can identify what gun did that and know where to go looking for that gun. I do not understand why if a gun makes you physically sick it is my problem. And you can’t buy a gun cash and carry at all gun shows and the ATF frequents gun shows and test buys. If you sell cash and carry you will go to jail in most states.

    Banning extended mags above 30 rounds to me is acceptable but in my great state you cant have over 10 rounds. Even with that it is quick to reload.

    The main point i am trying to say if gun owners have been screwed in the past and they see any attempt to further restrict access is going to lead to more and more until legal guns are a thing of the past. but as with all laws they only effect the low abiding.

    P.S. I’m willing to bet that someone with a machete could have had as high of a body count if not higher. People in the other theater wouldn’t have been hit but in modern theaters with stadium seating and 2 exits people only have 2 ways to go. Maybe theaters should be petitioned to make theaters safer with more exits. For cases like this and fire.

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    solita

    First time listener and I didn’t leave! Go you guys! Loved the episode and will def come back for more. I hve strong feelings about the whole gun control debate but I wanted to say something to Carissa regarding making friends. Mine problem involves boyfriends more but it def applies to friends. You meet some one that seems nice and kinda cute. They have a job and don’t live in their parents basement. They have a car and pay their bills and they don’t mind when you take them to the weird Korean restaurant you like and then they confess they believe the event of the Left Behind series are really how things will happen. Or that really black people are lazy and entitled. Or rape victims should not have access to plan B. Or that Katrina was god’s wrath against all the sinners in New Orleans (yes, I dated all these guys, true story.). So, yes, it is very dissapointing and a little hurtful when you meet folks that seem legit and you feel you might be willing to share something with ( a big deal as adults cause its harder to make friends than when we were kids) and they let you down in a big way. It really makes a girl just want to stay home with a pint of Ben n Jerry and Netflix. You are not alone Carissa. But I made me a little less sad to know I’m not the only one who gets a little depressed when their new friends turn out to be idiots,

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    zack

    Nice points, Jacob.

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    zack

    I mean haha about gun control.

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    Donald

    I would really expect a critical thinker to use common sense, statistics – which all fly in the face of gun control – instead of appeal to consequences.

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