Reality is enough for me, thanks.

Ever since Conservapedia put up a link to TGA declaring that there was “no such thing as a Good Atheist”, we’ve been getting a lot of great comments in a number of articles. The best one so far has to be from “Bob”, who is convinced that not only do we not exist, but that life on earth wouldn’t be worth living if it wasn’t for his imaginary buddy:

I want to know just one thing, if there is NO God, NO afterlife, No nothing, no point to anything what so ever, why do you continue to even exist? I mean if you could prove to me that there wasn’t a God, which you can’t because there is, I would be the first in line for suicide, NOTHING or NO ONE on this earth is worth putting up with the total bullshit that we put up with on a daily basis.

With a personality like yours, it’s a total mystery why your friends and family don’t offer you enough support and love to justify you “putting” up with existence for more than a minute. You sound like such a positive guy! Surely it must be your love of God that makes you this cheery.

I don’t believe true atheists even exist, just a bunch of snot nosed adults throwing temper tantrums because they can’t get their way and do what they want without repercussion for their actions.

He is aware that we have a justice system, right?

I think I’ve identified where you fucked up in your reasoning, Bobby. You think atheism leads to nihilism which then leads to violent anarchy. If that were the case, prisons would be filled with non-believers. So why are they disproportionately represented in correctional institutions?

The simple answer (the one you can’t seem to grasp) is that belief in God doesn’t actually make a person moral. In fact, it can often do the exact opposite. Just think of how many times someone has murdered their fellow human being because their God commanded them to do so. These psychopaths were the ones who did what they wanted without caring what the repercussions were.

science is so full of shit, takes alot of faith to believe what you can’t see, right? when was the last time you could 100% prove science, all the way down to its truest form? you can’t you never will, most of what science says is all made up bullshit.

It’s impossible to prove science 100%. The whole process demands uncertainty, in a way. It invites change, because the people who believe in science realize that our picture of the universe is incomplete. That isn’t a weakness, Bobby. That’s a strength. I know it’s hard to grasp when you’ve been humping the Bible for so long, but certainty is not at all desirable. We used to be certain that the world was flat, that the Sun revolved around the Earth, and that diseases were caused by demons. All of these “facts” were written with total certitude in the Bible and all of them are dead wrong.

If you enjoy certainty at the cost of learning anything real about objective reality, that’s your choice. I might suggest, however, that you try and improve your relationships with people that actually exist. They are the ones that make life worth living, not some failed messiah living in “the clouds”.

Comments (20)

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    Ricky Waters

    Jake, this is your favorite sycophantic fan . . . . Hey, great rebuttal!

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    Sterling Knight

    I’ve talked to these people before. You know, the one’s who think that life isn’t worth living if there is no purpose so they would rather commit themselves to ultimate servitude to God. I’d rather stick with life has no purpose, unless we find one (because science does stuff like that), instead of slavery and the ‘knowing’ that you will someday be sent to Heaven(yeah right) or Hell for all eternity. If you ask me that’s a shit load of pressure.

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    agentsmith

    I love the rationale that because science doesn’t completely 100% explain ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, that means it’s all bullshit and can be categorically dismissed. But a blanket answer like “because it’s God’s will” or “because God made it that way” is considered a perfectly valid explanation. It just puts a nice tidy bow on everything, doesn’t it? Clearly such people are just looking for a mental comfort blanket to protect them from their crippling fear of the unknown.

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    Brennan

    I never asked you if you were a nihilist.

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    all7days

    “Science is so full of shit”
    So how did you post you’re comment here Bob?
    Did you pray the comment into existence?
    Or did you use science?

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    Nathan Reese

    That’s funny because I don’t really believe that Christians truly believe that god exists, at least not in the way that the Bible portrays him(ok, maybe with the exception of Fred Phelps).

    If they really believed in the Bible, why would they waste any of the short time on Earth doing anything other than trying to make god happy? 80 years is a pretty short time compared to the eternity that they may have to spend in hell if they happen to die before they can be forgiven of their latest sin.

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    Hb

    @All7Days
    To be fair, he certainly did not “use” Science to do what he did. He used a technology. But your point is not lost on me. This technology is the result of science done by hardworking individuals of our past. But, remember. Not ALL technology is always the result of Science.

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    all7days

    DAMN! I was worried someone would post that point. I thought about saying “using a technology that was the result of science”, but it doesn’t seem as streamlined. Plus if “Bob” actually read the comment, I didn’t feel in danger of him poking that hole in it :)

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    Luc Leblanc

    Here’s some lyrics from a christian rock group that reflect Bob’s mindset:

    “I see miracles all around me
    Stop and look around, it’s all astounding
    Water, fire, air and dirt
    Fucking magnets, how do they work?
    And I don’t wanna talk to a scientist
    Y’all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed”

    -Miracles, ICP.

    In Bob’s world, everything is magical. Any attempt to bring up any form of logic burst his dream-like bubble. Sad and pathetic.

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    Nicholas H

    –If you enjoy certainty at the cost of learning anything real about objective reality, that’s your choice. I might suggest, however, that you try and improve your relationships with people that actually exist. They are the ones that make life worth living, not some failed messiah living in “the clouds”.–

    I loved the ending of this article. Great job!

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    B. J. Price

    I am so sick of hearing ‘why exist without God’. There have been so many Gods and so many humans, historically and now, that it’s amazing humans survived as a species at all with all that committing suicide in despair through the millennia because they didn’t have the one specific Christian god. And probably of the one specific sect, since all the other sects are going to burn in hell.
    But we did it. We are still here in abundance.
    Praise human ingenuity!
    May Shiva keep dancing for a long, long time. Poor fellow. But we really need him to keep doing that or everything will just stop. ;-)
    As a species of ape i’m doing just fine, thanks for asking.

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    Jeffrey Eyring

    Ironic that people who criticize science and claim that it’s all “bullshit”, are people who in fact benefit very much from science, as in not being dead. I mean, without science, you might as well be dead by the age of 35 if not earlier, because the only reason you live longer than that is because of science.

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    agentsmith

    “But, remember. Not ALL technology is always the result of Science.”

    Yeah, it pretty much is. As opposed to technology that’s created by what, prayer?

    World English Dictionary:
    technology [tek-nol-uh-jee]
    – noun
    1. the application of practical sciences to industry or commerce.

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    Canadian Secularist

    I found this to be the best line:

    “science is so full of shit, takes alot of faith to believe what you can’t see, right?”

    Yes it does Bobby. Yes it does.

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    Sterling Knight

    Dammit Jacob, make a way we can like comments please?

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    Timothy

    “science is so full of shit, takes alot of faith to believe what you can’t see, right?”

    Universally translated “I’m an asshole that drinks to much and thinks magic elves make my computer work.”

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    Rasmus

    This is just amazing to me. I live in Sweden and obviously have several non-believing friends, as well as moderate religious ones (and, to be fair, perhaps one creationist, which is pretty unusual here). Talking to them about why I don’t much care for religion, their usual response is along the lines of “well, come one, no one REALLY believes that”, no one REALLY believes in the story of Adam and Eve or Noah’s ark, and that everyone (including religious believers) agree that religion is a bit bullshitty and unprovable but it’s still nice and poetic and conceptual and yaddayaddayadda.

    And THEN I go online and read this shit, of people who are at the COMPLETE opposite end of the spectrum, who say OF COURSE we believe this, everyone believe it, the bible is fact, if you don’t believe you might as well kill yourself, and, oh, actually, atheists doesn’t even really exists.

    It does my head in. I’m stuck in the middle. I just wanna introduce them to each other. And obviously, I wish all religious people were like the former, agreeing it’s all bullshit but it’s poetic and nice to live buy, but I wish people would see that it’s NOT like that for everyone. Some people actually believe what they say they believe. I mean, compare the situation here to that in America, it’s basically the opposite. Non-believers are a small minority that no one likes, from what I understand.

    The world upsets me sometimes.

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    David Simmons

    This is directed at “Bob”.

    God (‘Allah’) directed the 9/11 hijackers. ’nuff said.

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    Hb

    @agentsmith

    Given the strict definition of technology, I admit that you are correct. But what exists between these two words to describe the “technologies” of classical antiquity? tool; technology. Was the wheel a tool or a technology in it’s many, then, applications? How about the lever of Archimedes? What about water ways and aqueducts? There are a great many “technologies” which were NOT the result of Science. But I admit that the first rudimentary versions were later refined, and I also acknowledge that many more technologies are the result of scientific labor, especially as of more recently (since the beginning of the modern Science).

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