Philadelphia archdiocese still rampant with pedophiles

The archdiocese in Philadelphia is in serious trouble. Since 2005, they’ve been subject to 2 grand jury reports that found rampant sexual abuse on the part of over 100 priests. The first report, which found 63 priests have been involved in some form of ritualistic abuse, provided no convictions since the statute of limitations had run its course. Another recent report found another 37 priests who had either raped or acted inappropriately with minors, and while some steps have been taken to try and get convictions, most are still under the employ of the Church, and some are still in active duty.

The possibility that even one predatory priest, not to mention three dozen, might still be serving in parishes — “on duty in the archdiocese today, with open access to new young prey,” as the grand jury put it — has unnerved many Roman Catholics here and sent the church reeling in the latest and one of the most damning episodes in the American church since it became engulfed in the sexual abuse scandal nearly a decade ago.

Lots of Catholics in Philly are having problems reconciling their faith with the news the Church appears to have little concern for the well-being of their children. Had they bothered to actually study the thing, they would have found this behavior isn’t at all recent; we’re all just more aware now.

When the archdiocese learns of reports of sexual abuse, it is now supposed to report them to the district attorney, which is what led to the most recent grand jury investigation. Extensions on the statute of limitations also made prosecutions possible this time.

This, at least, is an encouraging sign. The Church’s policy of secrecy has always relied on the fact there is a 10 year statue of limitation on sexual abuse once the victim reaches adulthood. Personally I’ve never understood why it’s necessary to limit the amount of time a pedophile can be prosecuted, especially considering sex abuse victims are traumatized for years, sometimes decades. That’s slowly changing, and yet convictions for these bastards is moving glacially slow. Maybe it might go a little faster if their idiot sheep stopped giving them a bunch of money all the time. Just sayin’.

Comments (27)

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    Brandon

    If you read the article many of these priests were never prosecuted, they were simply accused, arrested and let go because they were not found guilty.

    I believe that every person who has committed abuse should be prosecuted and that most of the priest are probably guilty.

    But do you think it’s possible that SOME of these people don’t like religion and are fabricating these allegations?

    “Personally I’ve never understood why it’s necessary to limit the amount of time a pedophile can be prosecuted” Jake
    Because the evidence can be hard to find.

    What if one of your girlfriends from over 10 years goes to the cops and said you beat her and force her to have sex with you? If she has no proof, you would still be investigated, may be arrested, go through a hearing and let go. Your image would be tarnished.

    Some of these people may be jumping on the bandwagon to smear the church. They wait till the 10 years statute of limitations has elapsed so that the accused won’t go to jail and their conscience will not bother them but the effect is that the religion they hate so much has been tarnished.

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    Goldenarms

    Brandon. Your sexually depraved bible bangers are molesting kids. Go fuck yourself for defending them.

  • avatar

    Brandon

    I’m not defending the guilty ones, which is why I said “I believe that every person who has committed abuse should be prosecuted and that most of the priest are probably guilty.”

    But I merely am pointing out that many of the people in the article were never found guilty but merely accused.

    You are so wrapped up in your hate that you say “hang em all! They are all a bunch of rapist!”

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    MightyFooda

    Brandon, I think the part you are failing to grasp is that there is cover up taking place. Even those priests that didn’t fuck boys in the ass and face new it was going on and did nothing for fear of being kicked out of the church. Not only that, but they were moved around to keep them from being prosecuted. This conspiracy involves the whole church, and the whole church ( I am not talking about parishoners ) are to blame.

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    AJ Buwalda

    “If you read the article many of these priests were never prosecuted, they were simply accused, arrested and let go because they were not found guilty.”

    Do you have problems with reading or something? The article said: “But there were no indictments, mainly because the statute of limitations had expired.” Doesn’t sound exactly as “the were found not guilty” now does it?

    “Some of these people may be jumping on the bandwagon to smear the church. They wait till the 10 years statute of limitations has elapsed so that the accused won’t go to jail and their conscience will not bother them but the effect is that the religion they hate so much has been tarnished.”

    Get that rod-shaped persecution out of your ass. Eve if some might have done that, that still doesn’t mean that the church is A-OK. The only thing you prove by this is that you’d rather be a dick about it.

    “You are so wrapped up in your hate that you say “hang em all! They are all a bunch of rapist!””

    Cry me fucking river, won’t you. You claim that everybody here is hating on christians. Hate, hate, haterdy-hate-hate-hate. I believe your Lord once said this to Moses:

    And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.

    Exodus 4:6

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    Brandon

    “Do you have problems with reading or something? The article said: “But there were no indictments, mainly because the statute of limitations had expired.” Doesn’t sound exactly as “the were found not guilty” now does it?” AJ BUWALDA

    Sorry, you’re right, I got the articles confused. I was referring to the article the first link in the article that Jake posted was pointing to “scathing grand jury report”: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/us/11priest.html

    “Eve if some might have done that, that still doesn’t mean that the church is A-OK.” AJ BUWALDA

    Yep. You are right. I’m not saying the church is a-ok. It certainly isn’t.

    “I believe your Lord once said this to Moses:
    And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.
    Exodus 4:6″

    And how is this verse hateful? Are you saying that poor moses got a leprous hand? Talk about taking a verse out of context. God gave him a leprous hand and then healed it in a matter of seconds after giving it to him. It was to prove to Moses that God would do miracles when he went to Pharaoh.

    If you have interrupted this verse as hateful, I’m am beginning to doubt your comprehension of scripture.

    “You claim that everybody here is hating on christians. Hate, hate, haterdy-hate-hate-hate” AJ BUWALDA

    I don’t claim that everyone here hates. Just some. There are a few logical, reasonable and respecting people here.

  • avatar

    Brandon

    MIGHTYFOODA, I understand.

    I guess I shouldn’t have brought this up. I thought I would have been able to say “Yes, I understand the church is messed up. Prosecute those that are guilty. But not every person accused is guilty.”

    That’s all I wanted to say. I am not defending the guilty. The church needs to be open and not hide anyone. I clearly stated that.

    Sometimes I throw out some meaty discussions and some people can’t chew the meat and choke on it. They still need milk.

    Of course, it could be my crappy communication skills.

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    AJ Buwalda

    “And how is this verse hateful? Are you saying that poor moses got a leprous hand? Talk about taking a verse out of context. God gave him a leprous hand and then healed it in a matter of seconds after giving it to him. It was to prove to Moses that God would do miracles when he went to Pharaoh.”

    Are you fucking kidding me? You really did not see the context?! The verse is not hateful… The story states that one should not outright dismiss people. You have to try (the reaching in your own bosom part) before you judge. And your not trying to see what we are about; you’re content branding us hateful bigots. And here you were questioning my understanding of scripture…

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    HereticsAnonymous

    @Brandon — I agree. It would be so easy to make up charges against a priest just to make a buck, get some attention, get back at the church, etc. And how do you possibly investigate some of this stuff when it happened decades ago?

    But I do disagree with the statute of limitations in the case of abuse, because it really can take decades for victims to even realize what happened and get the courage to speak out.

    Justice is messy sometimes. But we have to investigate every charge even though some of them are no doubt made up.

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    Brandon

    “But I do disagree with the statute of limitations in the case of abuse, because it really can take decades for victims to even realize what happened and get the courage to speak out.” Hereticsanonymous

    True, 10 years may not be enough. If you are 10 years old when the abuse happens you really might not be able to truly understand what happened to you until you are 30 year old.

    Yes, we certainly need to investigate all allegations. The law should apply to all, the pope and the bishops especially. The fish stinks from the head down.

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    Brandon

    “You have to try (the reaching in your own bosom part) before you judge. ” AJ BUWALDA

    Ahhh. I get what you are saying now. sorry.

    I’ve never heard that application of that verse. Interesting.

    “And your not trying to see what we are about; you’re content branding us hateful bigots.” AJ BUWALDA

    But I am here, on an atheist site, debating and seeking intelligent conversation. I admit when I’m wrong and try to see your point of view. How is that not trying to see what you are about?

    In my opinion, what I am saying about the tone of this site isn’t a Christian/religious argument. There are many atheists who think this “angry asshole” style of atheist evangelism is not effective and it gives the cause a bad name. Jake has talked about this and disagrees with them. So be it he can do what he wants.

    But don’t expect Christians to let all demeaning and hateful talk about us to slide. I will defend us and I will call Jake out when I feel like he is being hypocritical.

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    mightyfooda

    Brandon, I think you are right to be able to defend yourself and I think that you being here is a good thing. It would be even better if we warped your mind and brought you over to our side. I am one of the angry atheists, and I think that we have plenty to be angry about. No point on going on about that, it’s the purpose of the whole site!
    I know I just said you have a right to defend yourself, but it always rubs me the wrong way when christians take on a defense of persecution. Unless you live in Africa or the Middle East, that ain’t happening.

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    AJ Buwalda

    “Ahhh. I get what you are saying now. sorry.

    I’ve never heard that application of that verse. Interesting.”

    I told you I was from a religious background ;-) That’s why christian don’t want to do bible studies with me. I know which part says what better than they do. In my country its even a proverb: Een hand in eigen boezem steken (Putting a hand in once bosom).

    “But I am here, on an atheist site, debating and seeking intelligent conversation. I admit when I’m wrong and try to see your point of view. How is that not trying to see what you are about?”

    You have the tendancy to equate miscontend with hate which really, really rubs me the wrong way. You want my point of view: There is no reason to invoke a god, even if things happen which one can’t explain until evidence is produced that a god exists. No hate, just anger towards the wrongs that religion has enacted upon the world. Totally valid, I believe.

    “In my opinion, what I am saying about the tone of this site isn’t a Christian/religious argument. There are many atheists who think this “angry asshole” style of atheist evangelism is not effective and it gives the cause a bad name.”

    And they can get of their high fucking horse. We are not saying how they should conduct their business, so why should they do it towards us. I don’t even want to evangelize. I just want to point out people’s BS and let them figure it out.

    “But don’t expect Christians to let all demeaning and hateful talk about us to slide. I will defend us and I will call Jake out when I feel like he is being hypocritical.”

    ITS NOT FUCKING HATEFUL! Hateful is when I say we should shun all christians from public office or some shit like that. Saying that christianity is full of shit is not hateful. Rather its crude, low brow and mostly true.

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    mightyfooda

    AJ, I grew up a Jehovah’s Witness. What were you brainwashed, er I mean raised as?

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    AJ Buwalda

    Dutch Reformed Christian. My mother had always been such and my father had always been an atheist, but induldged her. At the age of twelve I came to atheism on my own accord, at which point my father backed me up. About 4 or 5 years ago, after a long process, my mother became an atheist as well although she would never call herself that. Only my grandmother ever knew I was an atheist and she respected it. The rest of my family does not know, I’m asstranged from them anyway (for non-religious reasons). In the end what sold me on the fact that Christianity was BS was reading the bible multiple times. I think I was the only twelve year-old in my class who had read the freaking thing about three times. Also the reason why I can quote scripture like a pastor :)

  • avatar

    Brandon

    It seems like one of the more reasonable readers would call goldenarms out for the stupid stuff he says like “Brandon. Your sexually depraved bible bangers are molesting kids. Go fuck yourself for defending them.”

    How is anyone going to take you seriously when you say this sort of stuff?

  • avatar

    Brandon

    ” I think that we have plenty to be angry about. No point on going on about that, it’s the purpose of the whole site!”

    In the “that’s just ignant” post Jake blasts a Christian group for being angry at Muslims. It seems to be ok for Jake to get angry and spread the outrage but when someone does it you won’t tolerate it.

    I guess you all think your shit doesn’t stink so you look at everyone else and act like “sobbing vaginas” cuz theirs does.

  • avatar

    MightyFooda

    Brandon, in case you haven’t noticed we all think that religion is a blight upon humanity. It is evil. There is no good that needs religion to come about and so many heinous crimes that never would have happened without religions influence. There is not ONE crime that you can blame on atheism. Don’t give me Stalin, his dogmna was communism. Atheism doesn’t cause communism, abuse of the workforce by cossacks cause communism. Of course we tolerate Jake he shares our world views! Are you going to go on a Boston Red Sox fan page and say the complain about the way the Yankees are getting trashed! I don’t think so!
    So yes, are shit DON’T stink because Atheist groups aren’t raping kids, sewing up girls vaginas, encouraging people to “jihad” each other. Not only does our shit not stink, it’s a fucking Febreeze whiping out the nasty ass stink of all religion! Our shit smells like fucking blueberry pancakes!

  • avatar

    MightyFooda

    AJ, I have read the Bible way too many times myself. My Dad just didn’t give a shit either way. He was glad he didn’t have to buy christmas and birthday presents. My mom could never admit to herself there’s no god, but I know that she is to smart to not to at least doubt.

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    AJ Buwalda

    MightyFooda; People are often set in there believe and afraid to lose alot.

    “In the “that’s just ignant” post Jake blasts a Christian group for being angry at Muslims. It seems to be ok for Jake to get angry and spread the outrage but when someone does it you won’t tolerate it.

    I guess you all think your shit doesn’t stink so you look at everyone else and act like “sobbing vaginas” cuz theirs does.”

    For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    - Metthew 7:2-5

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    Brandon

    “There is not ONE crime that you can blame on atheism. Don’t give me Stalin, his dogmna was communism. ”

    How can you blame anything on atheism? You guys are just like a vapor. You state that you are just people who don’t believe in God just like you are a group of people who don’t believe in the tooth fairy.

    So if someone commits a crime, is the media going to mention in the article that the person doesn’t go to church? or that he doesn’t attend the “Tooth fairy believers unite!” weekly meeting? or that the person doesn’t eat his boogers? No.

    Atheist commit crimes and no one ever knows because you don’t associate yourself to anything.

    The tooth fairy atheist are clean too!

    So no, I can’t say that stalin or moa committed any atrocities in the name of atheism. But I can assure you that many martyrs died because of the same hatred you have in the name of “anti-religion”. I dare you to read the book Jesus Freaks all the way through. Half of the stories in there are about the Soviet soldiers telling Christians “Deny Jesus or I will torture you. Deny him and I will kill you quickly”.
    Did they do this because they were atheist? I’m not sure but they did it because they hated religion because it interfered with communism. How is this any different?

    And I can tell you that plenty of non-religious communism governments hate religion because the government is like God and Christianity gets in the way of that. Look at China. The Chinese government controls the church and won’t let them say anything that they don’t approve of. They can’t say that God is the ultimate authority because communism is the ultimate authority. Christians have to hold private churches underground to actually be able to preach what the Bible says. If they get found, they get killed, beaten, and have acid thrown in their face. Go to the Voice of the Martyrs website
    http://www.persecution.com/ and see all the injustices done in the name of obeying a government that hates religion.

    No, communism doesn’t cause atheism but it certainly supports it and encourages it because any religion will go against communism. So, in my opinion, communism is almost always “anti-religion” which holds the same dogma as atheists.

    “MightyFooda; People are often set in there believe and afraid to lose alot.”
    Yes, you are. You are so set in your belief that you can’t stand being called out for being a hypocrite. It makes you so mad because you believe that Christians are the leaders in hypocrasy. Which I will not argue against, we have are side of the street to clean up. But that doesn’t mean that you are not doing the same thing.

    No wonder people think atheists are arrogant (like jake has posted on many times), you say stuff like “atheist never do anything wrong! Our shit doesn’t stink!”

    You have the gall to quote matt 7:2 to me? This is such a move right out the atheist handbook. If a Christian gets upset say they are a hypocrite.

    This verse is used with an individual. You can’t associate me with a whole group of people that you feel are doing something wrong and say that I’m also doing that same thing.

    I’m not the one in that video. I have been respectable and courteous to all of you on your “territory” but have gotten so much hatred thrown at me from people like Goldenarms that it ridiculous. And no one has ever said “Hey goldenarms, shut up. This guy has come here to talk and you are just being an ass.”

    Jim says that he doesn’t have vitriol for me but just my religion. But in the few months I have been coming to this site, so many readers have said some really nasty things about my character that aren’t true. Did anyone call them out on it? nope. So I’m assuming that you all agree with that person. If someone is severely beating someone up and the 20 people standing around doesn’t stop him, aren’t they just as guilty?

    There is a big difference in calling someone out on their crap and judging. I’m saying that it’s ridiculous for you post the video in “That’s just ignant” telling everyone that Christians should never be outraged at muslims but then you turn around and do the same thing.

    Have you cornered the market on the outrage at muslims? Christians have their problems but we speak out against the people that violate the teachings of Jesus. We don’t teach people to rape children. Muslims teach their people to blow up people! Christians have blown up abortion clinics but there is NO CHURCH that supports this and certainly doesn’t teach people to do this.

    Yes, Christians have done alot of wrong things in the past but we don’t now. So you can’t say that the church has done some things wrong so they are not allow to be outraged at muslims. We are teaching love now and doing alot of good.

    You disagree this happens so I guess we can agree to disagree. I will never be able to prove that Christianity is better than a non religious society. But you also can’t claim that a nonreligious society is better. As I’ve pointed out, communism most of the time is a non-religious society and they have committed lots of atrocities.

    But you are going to say that we aren’t teaching love because we won’t let gays marry. That is a small price to pay to have religion around changing people’s lives for the better on a daily basis. I personally think Christians are making a mistake here. Christians should not push our religious dogma on to a non-religious government.

    You think all of societies problems are because of religion. You think we should take responsibility for gay teens killing themselves. And maybe we should. I personally disagree with much of what politicians are doing in the name of the Christian right-wing tea party. They have taken over and are using Jesus’ name for their own gain. I totally don’t support these wolves in sheep clothing. They care more about their money than they do about Jesus. If Jesus came back today, the tea-baggers and rightwing Christian politicians who use Jesus’ name for their gain would be the first ones he would be angry at. How do I know this? Because when He was here 2000 years ago those were the only people that He was mad at, the religious people that were using the name of God for their own gain.

    So don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

  • avatar

    Mightyfooda

    Holy shit Brandon! A wee bit pissy aren’t we? Now first of all, you yourself said that you can’t blame those atrocites on atheism. I never said there weren’t any atheist assholes. There are ceratinly plenty. My point is, and STILL is that any good that religous people do can be done without religion. Are you telling me that shit isn’t still going on? That the Vatican isn’t still telling Africans that they can’t use condoms? We all know what the list is so I will it at that.

    As far as people giving you shit, I haven’t noticed cause I just started reading the comment section of the blog. Also, I almost only read your posts, seriously! Where’s the fun in arguing with people that agree with you. I told you that I’m glad you’re here. But I’m not going to tell you that your shit smells like roses when I think your argument is crap. Should the other people cut you some slack? Not my problem, I’m responsible for my actions and your a big boy. Maybe they have been listening to you for so long they are sick of it, I don’t know.

    And completely ignoring my blueberry pancake/febreeze analogy was just rude, it was fucking brilliant!

    You keep saying we are hypocrites. PLEASE, tell me how. Specific example. You may have already mentioned it, but your diatribe was so fucking long I starting skimming it.

    You saying that a christian society would be better is such crap. When has it worked? It ruled the day for hundreds of years and people got treated like ASS! You can talk about society being more evolved and modern, but you would think the guidance of the Lord Jehovah would be more reliable than several hundred years of human technology.

    The reason why you don’t here about atheists in the news is exactly because we don’t have the scriptures motivating us to do evil in the name of imaginary good. Everytime a Christian Scientist’s kid dies, every time another AIDS baby is born in Africa, every time a mentally challenged kid is mollested in Church run orphanages in Europe, every time FUCKING time you go online and search for a news article about a non believer doing something equally as heinous because of his lack of belief. Like FOX News wouldn’t eat that shit up.

    Now here’s where you gotta calm down a little. You are acting like saying this stuff is saying that you are doing it. Of course you aren’t responsible for it, and it’s quite apparent that you want the world to be a better place, just like we do. But, because you support Christianity you have to expect some holy wrath.

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    AJ Buwalda

    Brandon, you are a disgrace of a humanbeing. You are bigot and have persercution complex. Everybody hates christianity, right? Except the fucking billion people that ARE christians. Your arguments (and I use the term loosely) are weak, you have no evidense what so ever and you try to say we want to keep you down. And when you use arguments like “We suck, but muslims are worse” that show how you are drawing the shortest straw here. And yes I have the gall to quote Matthew because it fitted you nicely.

    “But you are going to say that we aren’t teaching love because we won’t let gays marry. That is a small price to pay to have religion around changing people’s lives for the better on a daily basis.”

    This is where you showed how much of a bigot you really are. How would you have liked it if it was like this:

    But you are going to say that we aren’t teaching love because we won’t let christians marry. That is a small price to pay to have religion around changing people’s lives for the better on a daily basis.

  • avatar

    Brandon

    True. I guess it was a dumb comment. I probably could have articulated it better.

    And sorry for the long rant. I guess I just am so sick of the bashing on this site. After being told by over 30 people that I’m an idiot about 200 times, I just wanted to go off a little.

    But you guys represent atheism well. Good luck!

  • avatar

    MightyFooda

    Is there we say, “hug it out bitch”? I don’t know, I don’t watch entourage, it just felt like the right thing to say.

  • avatar

    AJ Buwalda

    “Is there we say, “hug it out bitch”? I don’t know, I don’t watch entourage, it just felt like the right thing to say.”

    I’m cool with that. I realize that Brandon, like most religious folk, is probably a decent person in life. Personally I just get frusterated with anybody that uses those old fallacious arguments and that kind of pushes my buttons. What really gets me is that I want people like him to see that they don’t need religion and that they are better than that. But that is something the need to do on their own accord.

  • avatar

    MightyFooda

    Word. But you know there’s some hope, or he wouldn’t be here.

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