That’s putting it mildly

Canadians are a bunch of sobbing vaginas (I say this being an actual citizen of the country). We’re always paranoid of acting in an abusive or forceful manner that we allow all kinds of ridiculous shit to happen on our watch.

The most recent example involves a dozen Muslim families living in Winnipeg that have complained the music and co-ed physical education programs are un-Islamic. Rather than tell them to fuck off and crawl out of the 8th century culturally, school officials are bending over backwards to accommodate these ridiculous demands.

Is there anyone with a brain and some balls willing to tell these families what we’re all thinking?

Mahfooz Kanwar, a member of the Muslim Canadian Congress, says he has some better ideas.

“I’d tell them, this is Canada, and in Canada, we teach music and physical education in our schools. If you don’t like it, leave. If you want to live under sharia law, go back to the hellhole country you came from or go to another hellhole country that lives under sharia law,” said Kanwar, who is a professor emeritus of sociology at Mount Royal University in Calgary.

Kanwar has some interesting things to say about the failure of multiculturalism, and I have to agree here. All it’s done is ghettoize immigrants and made it impossible for many of them to assimilate to the values and traditions of Western countries. We tend to forget all the positive advancement we’ve made in civil liberties and assume (incorrectly) cultures are equally tolerant and equally just. It just isn’t so, and we need to stop fucking pretending it is.

If those Muslim families in Winnipeg don’t want their kids to benefit from our educational system, then they should take a trip back to their theocratic hellholes.

Comments (25)

  • avatar

    Pluto

    I think this is an interesting problem that’s grown out the [rightful] awareness of ethnocentrism in anthropology and other fields.

    For a while, Westerners were conditioned by scientists to think that whites were superior culturally and genetically. Eventually, and I don’t know exactly when, groups of researchers over time succeeded in changing public perception to the idea that there is no genetic superiority and that we shouldn’t judge people based on cultural differences. Now many have swung so far to the other side on the cultural issue that we’re afraid of identifying deficiencies in other cultures for fear of being perceived as biased.

    I hasn’t been very long since the majority public perception on ethnocentricity has changed, so I’m optimistic that we’ll be able to find an appropriate blend of respecting culture while refusing to allow cultural restrictions on civil liberties.

  • avatar

    nick

    Is this an obvious question – but if you don’t want your children to go through a Canadian schooling system then why live in Canada?

    You can replace “Canada” with any place in the world and the question still works.

    Any person, child or adult, has the opportunity to learn about Islam (or any other religion) if they should so wish – so long as this is not denied where’s the problem?

  • avatar

    NW

    “sobbing vaginas”? You couldn’t come up with a derogatory descriptor that’s not sexist? Unfortunately that little tidbit stopped me in my tracks while reading this. Ultimately I agree with the idea that if they want to live under Sharia Law, they should go to some place that uses it.

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    Richard

    How is sobbing vaginas sexist? To be a pussy is to be cowardly, and to be a vagina is to be a pussy. It’s not a phrase I would use, but it is not sexist.

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    Michelle

    I don’t get it…those school officials should man up. When it’s about the muslin culture, some countries walk on eggg shells. They should learn with Brazil. We are a multicultural country – there are muslins, jews, japanese people, germans, italians, etc in Brazil – we respect their culture and they respect ours. The muslin community lives here – if I’m not mistaken – since nineteenth century and they live pretty well here and respect the laws and policies of our country and if some of them don’t agree with what our Constitution says, they are free to live anytime.

    If some social group – whatever their religion and culture are – wants to live in another country they have all the right to exercise their costumes; but they are not allowed to force their culture onto other people and expect the institutions to change their policies and lawd just because it goes against their religious beliefs and habits.

  • avatar

    WCLPeter

    Richard,

    You managed to *almost* get there in answering your own question but for some reason you had blinders on and declared it non-sexist anyway. Here’s why calling someone a Sobbing Vagina is sexist:

    Pussy is slang Vagina and only women, for the most part, have vaginas. Pussy is also slang for someone who is a weak incompetent coward and comes from a time when women were often referred to as “The Weaker Sex” before we became enlightened enough to realize that women are often just as capable as men. The cultural significance of calling calling someone a pussy is meant to compare them to a “weak, incompetent, and cowardly woman”, something no “real man” ever wanted to be compared to.

    When Jake wrote “Canadians are a bunch of sobbing vaginas (I say this being an actual citizen of the country).” what he was really saying, whether conscious of it or not, was “Canadians are a bunch of incompetent weak crying women (I say this being an actual citizen of the country).”

    Unfortunately Its a figure of speech that is common in society, so common in fact that most people aren’t aware how offensive and sexist it is until you actually sit them down and force them to think about it for a moment.

    Seeing Jake’s stance just a few posts back on the plight of Muslim women and how Islam is really fucking up their lives I really don’t think he’d intentionally meant anything sexist by this article. That being said I personally would have said something like “Canadians can be really fucking stupid (I say this being an actual citizen of the country).”

    Pete…

  • avatar

    Sarah

    As a Canadian, I agree that a lot of us are pretty worried about offending people… but I think all of us could agree that “sobbing vaginas” was not the term to use. In my opinion, they shouldn’t change the whole program. If there are Muslims whose values are disrespected, the should have the option of not participating in the program, not changing it!

  • avatar

    Brandon

    Well said Pluto.

    I didn’t know that some Muslims believe music is “un-muslim”. Don’t they play music during their call to prayer?

    I tried to get my wife to read some of this site. The first post she read you used the term “bleeding vagina” to describe someone who was whining. She labeled you as a sexist idiot and never read another post.

    Your personality attracts certain people and turns others off. We can’t please everyone and we certainly have to pick our clients and our niche.

    Seems to be working for you though. You can live/work wherever you want while doing what you love. I’m a Christian and I still ponied up the $20 cuz I love to see people living their dream.

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    Richard

    First of all, women aren’t just as capable as men. There are physical differences between the sexes. Now this doesn’t mean one sex is better than the other, or that it aught to be treated different under the law, but it’s not to be ignored either. I bring this up because although the ideal seems to be gender equality, I’m not sure how equal we can get.

    Second, if pussy is sexist then dick is sexist. And cunt is sexist. And bitch, and whore, and virtually every possible swear word in the English language. This may be the case, but it’s pretty fucking thin.

    What you’re doing is focusing on the language rather than the intent or the context. If you seriously think Jake is being sexist by calling Canadians pussies than I just can’t respect what you have to say. Furthermore you delude the case against sexism just as throwing the racism card around deludes the case against racism. There is real sexism in the world, using the term pussy just isn’t it.

    So you can continue on in your crusade against certain words, but I’m not going to censor myself because someone has delicate sensibilities. I’m not sexist, Jake isn’t sexist(at least from the little I know about him by listening to his podcast) and you’re only going to make enemies by attacking us for using those, entirely valid in my opinion, words.

  • avatar

    Richard

    Edit: Dilute not delude.

    PS: A way to edit posts would be much appreciated Jake.

  • avatar

    Kyle Nicholas

    I don’t get the “music is un-Muslim” argument. I guess all those ladies I see riding the bus wearing headscarves and listening to their iPods aren’t really Muslim.

    Then again, I live in America, so who knows.

    I see the language police are out in full force, too. Lovely.

  • avatar

    Michelle Araujo Silva

    @Brandon
    Pick clients and niche might be easy when you open a store – for example – to attend mainly christians, so you won’t expect to have jews/muslins/budhists/atheists/agnostics/hindus going to your shop.

    In the internet it’s not so easy. For example, I can have a blog made to attend the LGBT community, but it doesn’t mean only the LGBT community will visit my blog. I can’t control the access completely and I’m sure straight people will visit my blog too.

  • avatar

    Jacob Fortin

    Sexist? Are you people for real? If I called the language police a bunch of dicks, does that means I’m being derogatory towards men now?

  • avatar

    Brandon

    Michelle, Sure. You are completely right. Not sure how you took what I said to mean anything different. A business owner picks a target audience and fills a niche. Jake has chosen and targets a niche market, atheists. But not just any atheist, one that doesn’t mind a host who is crass, and says things like “stop whining you bleeding vaginas”.

    All I was saying was that my wife isn’t part of Jake’s target audience. I don’t think she’s offended or anything, she just would rather listen to other podcasts.

    There are many other atheist podcasts that I listen to and none of them are like Jake’s podcast. He’s funny and lighthearted and doesn’t take himself too seriously, which is why I listen. The other atheists podcasts are stuffy and boring.

  • avatar

    Rebo

    I’m not so concerned about “dirty” words. Rather, generalizations are what drive me fucking crazy – especially with regard to demographics.

  • avatar

    L.Long

    1st phuck the damn IsLame-icks.
    As stated above if they do not want to integrate then go back to some schite-hole that is that way. I for one only respects the culture that respects mine.

    Richard said..First of all, women aren’t just as capable as men.
    Sorry you are DEAD wrong.
    It actually is ‘certain people are not as capable as other certain people’.
    I would put my daughter against any male of her size and weight. She has proven on many occasions that she can match or beat most males in martial arts,rock climbing, fencing, shooting, and in her lab.
    The fact that most women may not be ‘equal to a male’ has got to do with brainwashing as a kid then any ability.
    Rambo may have been able to sew a wound shut but he would have screamed like a wounded cat if he had to give birth to a very small baby!

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    mimysilva

    @L. LONG…you’re totally but it doesn’t even have to be the pain of giving birth to a baby…if men had to deal with the huge pain of menstrual cramps they would miss work every month for 4 days to stay in bed all day whining while we take meds for the pain and do what has to be done…

  • avatar

    NW

    Ah ok, now that the men have explained to me that an amazing part of my body – one that can birth 7 lb (or more) children and push cocks out of it during hard orgasm – is a synonym for “wimpy,” and that’s ok, then I’ll shut up now and go back into the kitchen. I don’t know what I would do without men to tell me I’m being too sensitive. After all, they know all about life as a woman and having their gender be synonymous with “weak”.

    Funny thing is, my vagina has never resembled sobbing in the least. But my ex’s penis that let out a lot of pre-come – that looked like crying. I don’t recommend “crying cock hole” as a term, however. I think we can come up with something better that doesn’t demean an entire sex.

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    mimysilva

    Come on! Women being offended by a “sexist word”?
    It’s just a word! I already called people – men and women – being a pussy… does it mean I’m being sexist and a women’s offender? So – all the men – when you see someone telling you or someone else is a dick, please tell them this is sexist and you are personally offended, ok?

  • avatar

    ink

    “Sobbing vaginas”? Really?

    Next time you dudely dude atheists start chatting about how important it is for atheists to join together against theocracy, try to remember that YOU are why atheists like me want absolutely nothing to do with you or your movement. You’re just as sexist and woman-hating as the religious nutters. At least they come up with pretty fables to disguise their contempt for 51% of the humans on this planet.

    I doubt you’ll publish this comment, or if you do you’ll just do it so you can reply with how I’m one of the “language police” who’s trying to “censor” your oh-so-precious and radical speech. But let me be clear: I want assholes like you guys to say this stuff. People often don’t believe me when I try to explain that atheists can be just as sexist, bigoted, and ignorant as religious folks…it’s nice to have people like you around to prove my point.

  • avatar

    potsherds

    Any gendered insult is derogatory to that gender. Calling someone a dick is derogatory to men, yes. For an example of an insult that isn’t gendered: The author of this article (Jacob Fortin?) is a sexist asshole.

    Next time one of you whines about the lack of women among your evangelical ranks, stop.

  • avatar

    Lymie

    Ink is right on!

  • avatar

    Lymie

    Bad Athiest, very bad.

  • avatar

    TiredOfAthiests

    This is exactly why I don’t associate with this movement. A bunch of white sexist assholes sitting around circle jerking themselves to death about how their belief of a lack-of-god(s) makes them oh so much better than everyone else.

    Congrats! You win “The MAN Award” of the year!

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