TGA Podcast: Episode 120

This week, Ryan and I talk about The Spiritual Fitness Test of the Army, the hilariousness of Christians trying to debunk Islam, and finally our favorite list of dumb patron saints. Don’t miss out!

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Comments (21)

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    Bryan Elliott

    Re: The first few minutes

    You should be able to use the Stereo Mix recording device with just one sound card. If you’re using Win 7, you may have to enable it in your devices – but overall, it’s better fidelity than running the audio out and back in.

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    WinterApocalypse

    I still think that recording yourselves separately and mixing them down in something like Cubase, ProTools, or for the cheap people “Audacity”. That way you’ve got source files unaffected by the re-sampling of re-recording compressed internet audio from Skype/Google Talk..

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    Jeff

    I took that “Spiritual Fitness Test” last summer. I failed the spiritual part horrendously. Never got any flak over it, but no one really pays attention in my unit.

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    Jon

    No intro? Lame!!! =)

    I never bothered to look up Saint Vitus, but I guess that explains the Black Sabbath song “Saint Vitus Dance” and the (very Sabbath-sounding) Doom Metal band Saint Vitus. Whaddya know? You learn something new every day.

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    Jacob Fortin

    I uploaded the wrong show. It’s fixed now. That means all you early listeners have a rare glitch of a show! A collectors item!

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    Max

    Hey guys, did you intentionally make it so each of your voices was in a different ear?

    This would be an abuse of stereo not excusable since the 60s.

    Hope you choose differently in the future cause unfortunately I found it too distracting to listen to the podcast. 🙁 You break my heart.

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    Carisa Hendrix

    Hey Max,

    Carisa stepping in to help while Jake is Computer-less

    Try reloading the show, you must have the file that was uploaded accidentally. The proper audio file is up now. Refresh your browser, or delete and re-download in itunes.

    Hope that helped.

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    Rasmus

    I assume this is the quote by Jesus that you referred to in the podcast:

    “But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and kill them in front of me.” – Luke 19:27 (New International Version)

    I first heard it in The God Who Wasn’t There, and then unfortunately in one of Sam Harris’ talks. Because it’s actually incorrect, I looked it up (well, not the quote, but the way it’s being used…). If you read the entire paragraph or whatever in it’s context, Jesus is telling a story about a king, and ending the story *with the king saying just that*, that those who doesn’t want them to be ruled over by him, should be put to death. So it’s unfair to attribute that to Jesus, because that’s not what he wanted, and I do think it’s very important to point this out cause I think we need to rise above quote-mining.

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    Michael

    Yeah, evangelical christianity is the branch of christianity that is most like islam. (I seem to recall the woman from Jesus Camp awwing over the devotion of muslims who strap on war equipment)

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    Michael

    Ps:
    You should could your patrons patron saints.

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    UncleGav

    Just listened to the first part of your show.
    This dude who created the ‘be happy’ way of thinking is completely ripping of Cognitive Behavioural Analysis which the psychologists in Aus use. Don’t know if it is worldwide, but hey, I wouldn’t mind getting x millions for someone else’s rubbish. I have had the discussion on why I can’t just be happy but you know, depression is not always about things that you choose to think. Brain chemicals are a bitch.

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    Max

    Hey thanks, it is great now as usual. 🙂

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    Brandon

    Spiritual Fitness Test
    You are right. This test should have been optional and definitely no one should have ordered a soldier to do ANYTHING because they failed. This is 100% wrong if force soldiers to participate. But not wrong if the test was optional, especially for atheists.

    Social Groups and happiness
    Your theory that just because a group of people get together and socialize makes them happier doesn’t support your previous claims that religion oppresses, is harmful, breeds hate, etc. Or maybe it doesn’t matter? What do you guys think? It seems as though there has to be groups of people that will not be happier because of the group’s common bond. If a bunch of goth people get together on a regular basis it seems as though they would probably depress each other even more.

    Suicide rate stats: More religious countries have lower suicide rates – http://www.gallup.com/poll/108625/more-religious-countries-lower-suicide-rates.aspx.I wonder how much of this stat is related to the belief that if you kill yourself you go to hell, or does it mean that religious people are happier? Either way, less people commit suicide. But you would think that with all the raping of children that priests do, all the hatred spewing from the mouths of religious people, and being so stupid and dumb, that religious people would commit suicide more, right?

    Fundamentalist Army
    Christians have schools that create “Christian Soldiers” to create a Christian army? What!? Where?

    Christian Apologetic
    Can’t argue with most of what you said in this segment.
    Rasmus said it well that you took Luke 19:27 out of context.
    Please stop associating crazy fringe mixed up Christians (Haiti Christians killing witches) with the majority of evangelicals.

    Vatican
    Rag on them all you want. The catholic church is screwed up.

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    Jon

    Here we go again…

    Brandon, maybe you’re lacking a little outside objectivity here. For one thing, your website is called Men’s BATTLE Plan, and there’s a call to ‘put on your armour’. Maybe the paramility rhetoric is everyday stuff to you, but to the rest of us, it’s disturbing as HELL. Whether it’s the US Army, the Salvation Army (don’t get me started on those assholes) or the documentary ‘Jesus Camp’, there’s a lot of it and to an outsider, it’s fucking scary.

    And by the way, how are us outsiders supposed to tell whether it’s people like you or the folks in Haiti who are the ‘true’ Christians? I’m sure you’d both make that claim, but how is an objective outsider to tell.

    But hey, thanks for giving us ‘permission’ to rag on the Catholics! See how easy it can be to apply skepticism to a religion that isn’t your personal brand of superstition? =)

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    Jon

    …and I really love it how you continually use really shitty examples of secular groups, such as a Cigar Club or a ‘group of goths’. Yeah, it’s not like there are things like Free Thought Groups/Skeptic Societies, support groups for people with Depression, Judo clubs, hobby groups or secular charities one can volunteer at to give something back to society, are there? And that’s just a few examples, off the top of my head.

    You’ve got a hell of a sense of false entitlement for somebody who came (of their own free will) to an Atheist site. I’m not saying you’ve got no right (far from it – you’ve as much right as anyone else), but don’t get pissy when nobody coddles your superstition.

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    UncleGav

    Go Jon, go! 🙂

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    Brandon

    “and I really love it how you continually use really shitty examples of secular groups, such as a Cigar Club or a ‘group of goths’. Yeah, it’s not like there are things like Free Thought Groups/Skeptic Societies, support groups for people with Depression, Judo clubs, hobby groups or secular charities one can volunteer at to give something back to society, are there? And that’s just a few examples, off the top of my head.” -Jon

    I guess I can see how you thought I was saying this cuz, you are right, they are shitty examples.

    Of course atheist group do amazing work and I think it’s wonderful. I really have alot of respect for many atheists and free thinkers. I know it takes a lot of courage to stand up to the majority.

    So when I picked a cigar club or a group of goths I would hope that you would know that I picked these groups because they were a bad example of groups that weren’t beneficial to someone’s health. Cigar club = smoke and goth = depression. The goth thing is probably a stretch.

    But I certainly wasn’t trying to think of secular or non-religioius clubs at all. In the discussion I don’t even think we were talking about atheists at all. In fact, I would say that there are many Christian churches that wold be detrimental to your health as well, ie. People’s Temple in Jonestown or Heaven’s gate.

    My point was that that you and Jake have tried to dismiss the studies I’ve listed by saying that ANY group that gets together on a regular basis will have a lower mortality rate and better health. I was trying to defend the studies I listed by saying that there many groups where that is not true.

    The studies I listed were about religious groups getting together on a regular basis and having better health.

    “You’ve got a hell of a sense of false entitlement for somebody who came (of their own free will) to an Atheist site. I’m not saying you’ve got no right (far from it – you’ve as much right as anyone else), but don’t get pissy when nobody coddles your superstition.”

    You are right. I have been rude. I’ll try to be a little more respectful.

    “Whether it’s the US Army, the Salvation Army (don’t get me started on those assholes) or the documentary ‘Jesus Camp’, there’s a lot of it and to an outsider, it’s fucking scary.” -Jon
    I haven’t seen the Jesus Camp doc but I’m sure it’s just another fringe group that no one but you guys get excited about. I”m sure if I saw the doc I’d be scared too.

    “And by the way, how are us outsiders supposed to tell whether it’s people like you or the folks in Haiti who are the ‘true’ Christians? I’m sure you’d both make that claim, but how is an objective outsider to tell.” -JOn
    Only God knows whether someone is a Christian or not. I think the terms you are using are a little off however. Since God is the only one who knows whether a person is a Christian then I can’t say that someone is a true Christian or not. But I can tell that someone is doing something that is wrong and I can’t confront that person and give them gentle guidance.

    I think this may benefit atheists as well. If you see Christians doing thing that aren’t what Jesus taught then you can associate their behavior to being wrong about their choices.
    The way I know that I’m on track with my actions, as a Christian, is to compare them to what Jesus taught. Where in what Jesus taught does say that we need to kill witches?

    So that is how you can tell about a Christians behavior. Ask yourself, are they following the teachings of Jesus?

    But I understand the argument that Jake made recently about religion masking or hiding crazy people. It’s true that crazy people can “hide” in religion. But this is generally true only when a bunch of crazy people get together and form their own little group. I’ve seen crazy people come and go in churches I’ve been in. We try to help them but they need profession help. Most of the time it doesn’t come to the point where their behavior is such that we have to ask them to leave but it does happen. If someone wanted to kill a witch or pour water in someone’s eyes because they believe that the person is demon possessed. Our church would gentle tell the person to not do it and that it is ridiculous.

    So if a crazy person gets kicked out of a church, where does that person go? They go to another church where there are other crazy people that will accept their crazy views.

    Also, I know that some of you may say that the bible does teach to kill witches. Yes, one of the laws for the Israelites in the Old testament was to kill a person if they are practicing witchcraft. But this is the old testament. When it comes to what a Christian applies from the Old Testament and what I person doesn’t apply, one can know that a Christian does not need to apply any of the 600+ laws given to moses. These laws were only for the Jews. They didn’t apply to the rest of the world. Then when Jesus came He said the laws don’t even apply to the Jews.

    But why do Christians still quote the Old Testament? We do this because we do want to apply what we learn about God and His character from the Old Testament.

    Sorry this is such a long post.

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    Jacob Fortin

    ^ Then you admit that “His” character is cruel, genocidal, and entirely vindictive if you base stuff on the Old Testament.

    The truth is that Christians pick and chose what they want from the Old Testament when it confirms with beliefs they already hold, and ignore the embarrassing or outdated stuff. Then when they get called on it, they say “we only follow the New Testament”. It’s bullshit slight of hand is what it is.

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    Brandon

    “Then you admit that “His” character is cruel, genocidal, and entirely vindictive if you base stuff on the Old Testament.” -Jacob
    Yes, I’ll admit to that. And in the same way from a child’s mind a loving parent can seem to be those characteristics as well because we don’t understand the bigger picture.

    “Then when they get called on it, they say “we only follow the New Testament”” -Jacob

    Let’s talk about something specific. Give me an example.

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    Brandon

    Since this post is about to be pushed off the front page and into the deep TGA black hole, I created a post on a forum that continues this discussion at the link below. It is entitled “Old Testament VS New Testament”.

    http://www.achristianandanatheist.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2360

    I would love to see a forum here on the TGA site.

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    Kyle Nicholas

    Michael, my thought exactly. Missed a really good opportunity there for a joke, Jacob.

    I think Saint Barbara (I keep calling her Santa Barbara) is the patron saint of police officers and is one of the patron saints of my home town, Seattle. Saint Florian is the patron saint of firefighters. I know that a lot of patron saints get extra duties, like one will be patron of a city and something else. Take Saint Jude, who is the patron saint of the Chicago Police *and* lost causes… as was mentioned in the film “The Untouchables.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_the_Apostle

    By the way, I’m a new member. I made a resolution to support more atheist causes in the new year, but unfortunately since you guys weren’t the only ones making big moves in your lives, I’m now broke. Half my February budget is already earmarked. While this is unusual for me, I do promise to become a full paying member eventually. For now, especially since I’m stuck with a crappy old computer while my laptop is in sickbay (when it rains, it pours!) I’m going to be a Freebie member. I promise to be on-baord full-time as soon as I can. Keep up the great work!

    Only… please change your intro. ;/

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