Christians in denial over their own ignorance

Remember how a few weeks ago a religious survey found atheists and agnostics scored the highest of any other demographic? Religious rubes have been chiming in ever since, trying to make sense of the fact when compared to the average atheist, Christians are considerably more ignorant when it comes to their own faith. The latest windbag to write about this is Nancy J. Thomas, who not only tries to defend the lack of studiousness on the part of her peers, but also tries to argue our intellectual position is “untenable”. This should be good:

The statement that Christians scored the lowest of all the groups tested probably results from Christian devotion to their own faith. Christianity is a religion devoted to the study of God’s word, and most Christians study the Bible with diligence. They don’t spend a lot of time studying other religions because they’ve already found the correct answer.

Those must be the same answers that made Medieval Europe the scientific beacon of the world, right? Let’s go down the list of correct answers present in the Bible, shall we? Scripture informs us that disease is caused by demons (Luke 7:21), the earth rests on pillars (1 Samuel 2: 2:8), the sky is actually an ocean separated by a “Firmament” (Genesis 1:6-8), and the sun itself revolves around the earth, stopping for a whole day so Joshua can more effectively slaughter his enemies (Joshua 10:10-13). Yeah, it sure sounds like a bunch of correct answers to me…

I have yet to meet an atheist/agnostic who was even vaguely familiar with the contents of the Bible or who could describe the tenets of any other faith. They usually get mad at God over a tragedy in their life or someone in the church offends them, or they think God is intellectually untenable.

I heard the same thing just the other day from a nutty Christian who was convinced I must be “mad at God” for losing a family member or something (and of course he was convinced without evidence it must have been the case). The fact Nancy has never met an atheist familiar with the Bible informs me she either knows very few atheists, or those she knows have probably kept their opinions to themselves.

There are numerous examples of atheists who undertook a serious examination of the Bible in the effort to disprove it, and walked away converted to Christianity.

I think you’ll actually find the list of religious people who have deconverted is far more impressive. If you have any examples of studious and serious atheists abandoning reason in favor of fantasy, I would love to hear about them. If conversion is your proof, then what do you make of people who were believers (or even preachers) who abandoned their faith?

If one is to examine the existence of God from a purely logical position, you would have to conclude that the rational choice is to believe. Since we cannot prove or disprove the existence of God with complete certainty, it is foolish to maintain that He does not exist. Atheists and agnostics stand in that untenable position.

And why is it rational to conclude “He” exists when you can’t prove it (by your own admission)? Does that mean I have to believe in every single idiocy you come up with simply by virtue of the fact I can’t immediately disprove it? Sounds like you need to start reading a few books that weren’t written by a fantastically ignorant desert tribe…

Comments (11)

  • avatar

    L.Long

    I am willing to bet she has never really read the buyBull either.
    They claim to have but they really didn’t.
    i.e. They are and she probably is against abortion because it is against g0ds law. Where?? the only thing I see in the buyBull is g0ds orders to commit massive abortions and instructions on how to get an abortion.
    So if they are great readers where is the thing about no abortions…& don’t even think ‘thou shalt not kill’ comes close to counting becuse we know that g0d LLlloovvvves for people to kill – a lot!!!

  • avatar

    Aegis

    True, the Shalt Not Kill part basically only applies to other Jews – Moses brings that shit down and then immediately leads the whole passel o’ fools off to murder basically everyone they meet.

  • avatar

    MensBattlePlan

    I won’t deny that most of us don’t know a whole lot about our own religion. It’s sad. Pastors will tell you it’s hard to get their people to actually read the bible and pray, the fundamentals of Christianity. They certainly aren’t studying other religions.

    This is the situation that Jesus dealt with when He, as the story goes, got angry with the religious people of His day. They weren’t doing what they were supposed to be doing. As a matter of fact, most of the time God’s people don’t obey. If you read through the bible they are disobedient more than they are obedient.

    Christians and Jews have always been a bunch of sick twisted folks who really can’t get anything right.

  • avatar

    Razzle

    Wow, “The Good Atheist” is really pissed at God.

    As for Christians scoring lower, well that’s because the religion is stupid, so it attracts lots of idiots.

  • avatar

    Michael

    “Christians and Jews have always been a bunch of sick twisted folks who really can’t get anything right.”

    Well when their position is to adamantly believe in a god that has never shown one iota of evidence towards its existence; then you can say they stumbling before they even get to the starting blocks.

  • avatar

    MensBattlePlan

    I can understand how you would think that way from your perspective. I does seem a little silly to believe in God.

    Christians do need to lighten up and give a little on issues of abortion/stem cell research. I wonder if God is looking down at us and saying “Great job guys on the abortion issue! Of course you are doing a crappy job on staying married, not looking at porn, not being jerks, reading your bibles.”

    If we really do believe that there is a God and really believe that God wants something, then if the Bible is true, He will do whatever He wants to do to get His way.

    But religious people want power, they always have. Most use God to make money and attain status. It’s sad but true.

    This isn’t anything new to atheists non-theists, you guys probably see it better than we do. We are in denial about these things just like we’re in denial of our ignorance of the bible. Of course, I have to say, evangelicals did score higher (7.4) on Christianity knowledge than non-theists (6.7).

    I respect you guys. I think it’s great that you are standing up to “the man” and fighting back against theists. Thanks for forcing us to answer the tough questions. I know that since listening to your podcast that I have really dove into Christian history, and into the Bible, and I have learned alot. My hope is that people, myself included, that aren’t serious about believing in God will make up their minds about what they believe and quit straddling the fence. As a matter of fact the bible says this exact thing. Revelation 3:16 “So, because you are lukewarm–neither hot nor cold–I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”

    And in Matthew 7:21-23 it says “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!”

  • avatar

    TheRichDarkEarth

    I read the article and have my own comments:

    “I’m convinced the testing procedures for this study were seriously flawed.” The procedures? You mean the sampling criteria and/or sampling size.

    “I have yet to meet an atheist/agnostic who was even vaguely familiar with the contents of the Bible or who could describe the tenets of any other faith.” Ah yes. The anecdotal evidence of a fundamentalist Xtian. Yippee.

    “They usually get mad at God” Then they aren’t an atheist. *insert combination eye-roll and head-shake here*

    “There are numerous examples of atheists who undertook a serious examination of the Bible in the effort to disprove it, and walked away converted to Christianity.” People do irrational things every day.

    “They don’t spend a lot of time studying other religions because they’ve already found the correct answer.” How do you know it’s the “correct answer” if you haven’t studied others?

    “There are many people who are Christian in name only.” Sigh.

    “Test “born again” Christians on the Christian faith and see what results you get.” Ahh… You mean if they had surveyed the “right kind” of Christian. Gotcha.

    “Since we cannot prove or disprove the existence of God with complete certainty, it is foolish to maintain that He does not exist.” Is that Pascal I see in the distance?

    Vacuous article.

  • avatar

    MensBattlePlan

    “If you have any examples of studious and serious atheists abandoning reason in favor of fantasy, I would love to hear about them.” – Jake

    Antony Garrard Newton Flew (11 February 1923 – 8 April 2010[1][2]) was a British philosopher. Belonging to the analytic and evidentialist schools of thought, he was notable for his works on the philosophy of religion.
    Flew was a strong advocate of atheism, arguing that one should presuppose atheism until empirical evidence of a God surfaces. He also criticized the idea of life after death,[3] the free will defense to the problem of evil, and the meaningfulness of the concept of God.[4] However, in 2004 he stated an allegiance to deism,[5] and later wrote the book There is a God: How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind, with contributions from Roy Abraham Varghese.

    Francis Sellers Collins (born April 14, 1950), is an American physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project (HGP) and described by the Endocrine Society as “one of the most accomplished scientists of our time”.[1] [2] He currently serves as Director of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland. Collins has written a book about his Christian faith.

    Marvin Olasky (born June 12, 1950) is Provost of The King’s College in New York City, editor-in-chief of WORLD Magazine, and a former professor of journalism at The University of Texas at Austin. He is the author of several books, including The Tragedy of American Compassion.

    Olasky was born in Boston, Massachusetts to a Russian-Jewish family and graduated from Yale University in 1971 with a B.A. in American Studies.[1] In 1976 he earned his Ph.D. in American Culture at the University of Michigan.[1] He became an atheist in adolescence and a Marxist in college, ultimately joining the Communist Party USA in 1972.[1] While working on his doctoral dissertation, Olasky became a Christian after reading the New Testament and a number of Christian authors.

  • avatar

    Brennan

    I think you forgot to cite Wikipedia.

  • avatar

    KEB

    It’s no secret that Christianity is a plagiarized version of the Egyptian religion, 3000 years before Christianity was conceived. The difference being that the Egyptian religion was based upon astrological observations personified into stories where as Christianity takes these stories, which it adopted from the Egyptian’s, and spins them into “first hand accounts” claiming the physical existence of a “savior.” Virtually every aspect of the Christian faith, including the cross, virgin birth, ten commandments, great flood, birth sequence, etc, was taken from the Egyptians.

    Just compare Jesus to Horus and tell me that shit’s not copied.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5d.htm

  • avatar

    Igloo Chessa Buttcheeks

    Christian parents make Jack into a dull boy.

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