Ontario teachers desperate for work “fake” being Catholic

In the province of Ontario, it seems like teachers are having a hard time finding work. Some are so desperate they’ve started “faking” religious belief in order to find work. The Globe and Mail is reporting a number of out of work teachers have been pretending to be Catholic in order to teach in private Catholic Schools. In Ontario, there is actually a law which allows these private schools to discriminate against employees who are not of the same faith, and to get in, you need a pastoral letter confirming the fact you believe in zombie Jesus.

Hey, I don’t blame these teachers for lying, especially considering the fact thousands of educators can’t seem to find work in the province. Still, it does seem pretty shitty that otherwise qualified individuals have to pass a religious “purity” test just to have a fucking job. How would you like having to lick the boots of religion just to make ends meet?

Comments (16)

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    JerryG

    This does suck. My fiance is a non-practicing catholic (i’m working on her guys, she’s beginning to have her doubts too of the sky fairy) and she’s been sending out resumes EVERYWHERE. She wanted to teach public but now considering any option out there. She doesn’t want to be in a catholic environment but of course money is the issue at hand so she will if she has to. I have a cousin of jewish background and he is currently teaching at a catholic elementary school, that’s how bad its gotten. As for that law that allows schools to sack teachers that are not of the same faith, doesn’t that violate a human right or something?

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    Ziggy75

    If there was an atheist school, wouldn’t you want all the teachers to be atheist? Shouldn’t employers have the freedom to hire who they wish?

  • avatar

    LB

    I’m pretty sure the catholic schools in Ontario get public funding. Anyone know if I’m wrong?

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    Nyn

    I am a student at a catholic highscool but I’m not catholic…catholic highschools do get public funding, that is the only reason I was allowed to attend (I did not want to go my parents wanted me to) I can understand why they would want only catholic teachers to teach at catholic highschools but I do not think it is right, they should not be allowed to discriminate against potential employees because of religiouS beliefs..it is illegal at any other work place to discriminate against religious beliefs it should be illegal in catholic schools as well. Students should be exposed to people of all faiths not just one, but the Catholics are just worried that if students learn about anything not catholic they will leave the church. Especially since the church doesn’t have much going for them right now

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    Mike Gio

    I was thinking of applying to be a teacher at the Jesuit high school that I went to in Arizona. I looked through the application and was shocked that one of the main questions on the application was about religion and spirituality. I am still thinking about applying to the school. As an alumni they might consider me despite my atheistic tendencies. The Jesuits were always the most socially liberal of the the priest sects, in my experience at least. I kind of want to go through with it just to have the interview to see what they would say about it.

  • avatar

    McTaffity

    @Ziggy75

    “If there was an atheist school, wouldn’t you want all the teachers to be atheist?”

    No, I wouldn’t give a monkey’s.

    “Shouldn’t employers have the freedom to hire who they wish?”

    No, they bloody well shouldn’t. Are you arguing that employers should be able to turn down applications from people who are Black, Gay or Jewish also?

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    Mandozilla

    This is an area of difficulty and is not black and white. The bottom line is if they get any public funding then they must have zero discrimination. However, I do think we have gone down a road where private employers are not allowed to be determinative. I mean, in a perfect world (which is a contradiction as there would be no discrimination in such a world) I would rather not force racists and the likes to take on who they don’t want to, otherwise they are not open about their pre-justices and we would not know. I would rather not work for an employer who did not want me and would constantly value me far less than others.

    On the issue of Atheist schools. I would not want an atheist schools and would not be interested in practiceing discrimination when taking on teachers within said school. I would like genuine non-denominational schools, as here in Scotland, most of these are actually more religious than openly catholic schools!

    One discrimination I would practice (now I think about it) is that the religious cannot teach biology… just think its not cool! My lil bro is taught by a young earther and even although most of it is not taught wrongly, the guy does not do well in discussion after the initial teaching has been completed. My brother as a result is not so interested in the subject, even although outside school he talks with me about evolution and the likes all the time.

    On this topic, I have just completed a teaching degree and when we entered second year we were asked if we wanted to teach in catholic schools. If we did, we did not have to be catholic but we would have to do an additional course so that we would not contradict the catholic values (what ever the might be!) while teaching. In our catholic schools most teachers are not catholic (as far as I can tell) and don’t get shit for it. But perhaps someone else would know better than me on this issue.

    Mandozilla (UK – Scotland)

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    Ziggy75

    I am arguing that the best person qualified for the job should receive the job. This judgment is made by the employer.

    You shouldn’t be forced to hire someone that is not qualified. Shouldn’t everybody be treated exactly equal?

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    OttawaAnon

    On our tax forms in Ontario you can specify which school system you want your tax dollars to support. So the Catholic school board is “privately” funded, the government just collects the money for them.

    The Catholic high school I attended wasn’t all the preachy. We had to take a religion course every year, and we were forced to volunteer 100 or so hours to some local charities (of our choice) before we could graduate

  • avatar

    Mctaffity

    @ziggy75

    “I am arguing that the best person qualified for the job should receive the job”

    Yes, and the fact they’re Catholic or not should have no bearing on the matter.

    “You shouldn’t be forced to hire someone that is not qualified”

    Interesting…who here has expressed that opinion exactly?

    “Shouldn’t everybody be treated exactly equal?”

    YOU don’t seem to think so, as your original post appears to support employers who wish to turn down applications from candidates who (in this case) are not Catholic, regardless of their suitability.

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    Ziggy75

    Mctaffity you are correct, and I am wrong and confused.

  • avatar

    Mr. Jones

    The declaration of school support (public or separate) on property tax bills is nothing more than a bureaucratic sleight of hand. It still succeeds in leading some Ontarians to believe that Ontario Catholics actually pay for the additional publicly funded educational opportunities available to them alone. The fact is, Catholics and non-Catholics in Ontario carry exactly the same tax burden, but Catholics are guaranteed two educational choices for their money (public and/or separate school; many families use both) while non-Catholics, who make up two-thirds of Ontario’s population, are guaranteed only one choice (public school). It wasn’t any different when the school boards had direct taxation powers; the tax burden for supporters of either system was essentially the same, but the availability of choices and opportunities was not.

  • avatar

    Mr. Jones

    and…

    In Ottawa, the local separate school board has actually taken to placing advertisements in local newspapers urging Catholics to make sure they are identified as separate school supporters on local tax rolls. As all school funding is now distributed by the province on a per capita basis, such advertising can have no other purpose than the political purpose of maintaining the illusion that the Ontario Catholics actually pay for their special privileges. They made no attempt to conceal their intent:

    “When you designate yourself as a separate school supporter, there is no longer a financial benefit to our Board. Rather, your designation guarantees a strong political voice through your elected representatives (Trustees) in ensuring your rights to a Catholic education for the young people in our province.” – Advertisement in the Ottawa Citizen,

  • avatar

    Mr. Jones

    so OttawaAnon…you are wrong…Ontario Catholic schools are publicly funded.

  • avatar

    canadiancitizen0

    Additional notes about Ontario:

    Public catholic primary schools have the right to deny admission to non-catholics as they see fit (with some exceptions). http://www.tcdsb.org/admissions/default.htm

    Public school teachers who are non-catholic or secular-catholics have less access to publicly funded teaching positions. (as shown in the original blog post). Additional confusion is created by the fact that the Catholic boards may not have been as strict with hiring in the past.

    Catholic schools and public schools in Ontario are publicly funded per student. Parents who declare support for a Catholic board on property tax bills currently have no effect on final funding levels. That’s my simple understanding. Research Bill 160 if you want a more complete understanding. Good luck with that.

    Non-catholic children have fewer options when it comes to primary school. Non-catholics do not have the option of going to a publicly funded high-school for their own religion.

    Some of the laws have also changed over time, adding to the confusion. Most politicians and govt officials avoid this topic altogether for good reason (political upside is too narrow). Many non-Catholics tolerate the status-quo to minimize the possibility of full-blown religious school funding — a nightmare for secularists and those suspicious of non-christian religions.

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