Get your shit together, America!


You keep hearing America is a divided nation. What that means is a certain portion of the population still believes homosexuals should be beaten or killed, the Government should be ruled as a theocracy, and only free market principles can help take care of people’s health issues (it’s been working great so far, right?).

Legislators in America have been attempting to get hate laws amended to include homosexuals, but so far, they’ve met with fierce opposition. House Minority Leader John Boehner says only “immutable characteristics” should be included in hate laws. This means he believes religion is something you are born with, but not homosexuality. That, according to him, is entirely a choice.

Yeah, it’s quite clearly a choice, John. I’m sure this guy, who was savagely beaten by two men (one of which has a tattoo of Leviticus 18:22), chose to be gay. The attackers are also claiming it was completely justified, saying that Jack Price (the victim) had “come on to them”.

What is frustrating here is that no one is calling out these people for the bigoted pieces of shit they really are. Boner Boehner gets away with his homophobic ranting because the majority of his constituents feel the same way he does. It’s time we put these kinds of people to shame; there’s no other way to go about it, America. Either you do something about the fact a significant portion of your population is dangerously stupid, or these same assholes will drag you down to the Dark Ages. Is that what you really want?

Comments (67)

  • avatar

    IllWilliamX

    It does, actually, it’s simply a harder case to make, because (as Jacob pointed out) heterosexual whites are in the majority. But this doesn’t make them any less potential a hate crime victim. The numbers are here, if you’re interested: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/incidents.htm

    But to answer your question, how would you go about enforcing such legislation? How does one determine the motive behind a crime? Do we rely on testimony? How do we handle prosecution? How do we determine the “level of bias”?

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    Razzle

    I don’t think you guys actually disagree in principal

  • avatar

    IllWilliamX

    I realize I answered your question with questions w/o ever giving a finite answer. Feel free to conjecture.

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    Razzle

    I don’t wanna argue on this, I just wanted to make it clear that you guys don’t seem to disagree in principal. Perhaps the only disagreement is if hate crime laws can be adequately enforced. As to that topic, I have no strong opinion, so I’m all ears.

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    Mark Haar

    Lewis Black summarizes this Blog very nicely here (it’s only 4:00 long):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mCDZMWVWuc

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    Zac

    //The practical, relevant issue here is that this kind of legislation doesn’t belong in a defense spending bill; it needs to be dealt with in a more appropriate context as a completely separate entity.//

    You do know that the defense spending bill in question that you mention in your post was passed without the hate crimes addition about 2-3 months ago, correct William? The bill we are currently speaking of IS IN FACT an entirely separate entity known as the “Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act”.

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    IllWilliamX

    From the office of the Speaker of the House: “This afternoon, the House passed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act as part of the conference report on Defense Authorization for FY 2010.”

    http://speaker.house.gov/blog/?p=2012

    In case Pelosi’s not enough of a source for you:

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/10/house_approves_hate_crimes_mea.html

  • avatar

    Zac

    Right, well I guess I must have been misinformed on this matter. Thanks for better informing me on it, I guess. lol

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    Price

    Hate crime laws are ridiculous. They only work one way. A crime is a crime. When you make it a hate crime, you are not only going after the criminal, but the criminals thoughts. THAT IS DANGEROUS! I am a White Male, if I get into a physical confrontation with a Black Male over, say, a parking spot. I, as well as he, will be arrested for that fight. Get any scumbag lawyer involved, and it becomes a hate crime. My sentence is increased, the amount that can be awarded in a civil lawsuit goes up, All because I am White… that’s it. You punish the crime, not what thoughts you think the criminal had at the time of the crime.

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    Razzle

    //s. THAT IS DANGEROUS! I am a White Male, if I get into a physical confrontation with a Black Male over, say, a parking spot. I, as well as he, will be arrested for that fight. Get any scumbag lawyer involved, and it becomes a hate crime.//

    This isn’t what a hate crime is. Also, you’re making assumptions that you have no basis for, you think both people are arrested whenever there is an altercation?

    We already punish criminals for the thoughts behind the crime. A crime of passion gets less punishment than a premeditated crime. Hate crime legislation does have potential to over reach, so we must take care to make sure we aren’t favoring 1 group over another as the result of it, but it can work if carefully implemented.

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    DaBigHotChocolate

    Perhaps it’s time for some parliamentary-style democracy, a more than two-party system for the United States. Not that we’re thorougly well-represented in Canada, but at least we have a few more choices in the political spectrum.

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    creationist

    did you know passing gay hate crime laws will cause a death in peoples freedom of speech? non religious reporters reporting on how gay people have a higher AIDS rate then other people will be thrown in jail or be forced to pay a high fine! just because some gay thought he was trying to discourage people from being gay!

    hate crimes laws crush free speech. and free speech was what the founding fathers wanted us to have. the reason people come here is because of all the freedom!

    in cases of racial or gay’s being attacked, that will always be around, and if we try anything drastic, people might end up dead.

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    fred johnson

    I have a simple solution, religious Americans have the option to sign their rights away and live under biblical law, with the exception of children who can make the choice at 18.

    Under Bibical law they can stone to death others working on a Sunday who are also under biblical law.
    Those under BL can stone adulterers also following biblical law and folow all the wonderful teachings in the bible including owning others under BL as slaves.

    Of course those not living under biblical law will continue life as usual and those under BL who wrongly use BL against those who follow standard law will be shot in the head immediately as an example.

  • avatar

    digitalproductions

    Ever wonder why the framers of our Constitution gave Freedom of Speech top billing in the Bill of Rights, followed by our right to bear arms? Because if we lose our voice, we can still pick up a weapon and get it back!

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    Passerby

    The thing is, we shouldn’t even be voting on gay rights… they’re *rights* and rights are NOT determined by a majority vote. They are constant. I mean, shit, if we had to vote on rights women still wouldn’t be allowed to vote and blacks would still be slaves.

    Oh, I keep forgetting: that’s why conservatives hate liberals.

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    KasiSE

    Passerby … I agree, but on the other hand women still aren’t treated well or respected that much. I wish I knew what it was going to take, but women are the majority and have A LOT of power and we have to get smart about things and learn how to use it and reclaim our self respect – look at the stupd TV shows exploiting stupid women. Look up how many young girls are forced into sexual trafficing and how much the politicians and police look the other way. We could stop a lot of the women bashing and gay bashing if we wold stop allowing ourselves to be treated like a disposable resource.

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    Daniel

    As an American I need to say that–you are 100% right. The fact that there are other countries that are fucked up does nothing to mitigate the fact that the USA is in a horrible cycle of idiocy. I blame our news media for a lot of it, but there is plenty of stupidy going around here.

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