Be quiet, Ladies!

It still boggles my mind how women could willingly commit their lives to a religion that despises them. I can see the appeal of those crazy pagan religions where they don’t shave their legs and pray to obscure ancient goddesses. At least those religions don’t force you to shut the fuck up.

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    Scott

    Many of those pagan religions also revolve around fertility goddesses & rites – they have fun worship services.

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    LB

    I remeber a wedding I went to a few years back. It was held at an ultra conservative church and while most of the ceremony was held in latin, at the end the priest looked at the bride and actually said “may you lead a long and aimless life.”. I think that about sums it up.

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    Alex

    First of all thank you for having an organized, user friendly website. I’ve been to other websites that look as though they were designed, and operated, by children. This site looks like intelligence, time, and effort went into it.

    After viewing a number of different things(theories??), on this websites, I finally felt compelled to post something. Many of the examples given, and arguments made here, like many things in life, only make sense if taken out of their original context. Taken out of its original context you could support just about any argument with the Bible.

    Take for example the particular passages of scripture used in the above video. If this scriptures are taken out of context, as this video does, the Bible does mean what the video says it means. However, viewed in their proper perspective they have totally different meanings. I offer, for your consideration, the following:
    1Timothy2 11-14: At the time of the writing of 1Tim many cults were
    led by women who did all the speaking and
    “preaching”??, usually followed by ritual sex.
    1Corinthians 14 34:35- As I understand this, it refers to speaking and
    interrupting the church service. If you refer to
    1Cor 11:5 it speaks of woman praying and speaking
    prophesy, in church. Obviously women can speak,
    in the church.

    Also, please refer to the following verses regarding wives:
    1Chronicles 7:4- How’s that for equality?
    Proverbs 18:22- Just make sure it’s the right one.

    Finally, thank you for being a concious, intelligent atheist. I have run across some whose attitude is one of “I don’t believe because, I just don’t want to.” You at least seem to be familiar enough, with the Bible, to reference it in support of some of your arguments. By the way, the irony of you using the Bible, to prove it is wrong, is not lost on me. Take care and God bless you.

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    Oh?

    I suppose we take the punishments in Leviticus out of context too huh?
    Let me guess, Leviticus is out dated and doesn’t apply anymore.

    The real problem is that people like yourself, place the bible in a context of legitimacy to begin with.

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    Alex

    I wouldn’t say that the Bible is ever outdated, but these rules, especially in the first five books of the Bible, which are also called the Torah, applied to the Jewish people who were still under the law of God, rather than the grace of Jesus Christ. If the Bible is illegitimate then how is it able to accurately prophesy, and agree with, some of things we are seeing predicted on the television today. Examples of these would be: one world government, one world monetary system, the overall condition of the world, and even something very specific like the “chipping” (mark of the beast) of people that seems to be looming on the horizon.

    P.S.- I look at this website, and I find myself wondering why people are so passionately arguing, “over someone that doesn’t exist.” Do these same people “fight” so fervently over the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, the Boogeyman, or the Tooth fairy? I wonder what it is about God that seems to make people so angry? I hope that I haven’t upset anyone by my posts. I was simply offering a different perspective.

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    Oh?

    You don’t need to explain the Torah to me.
    You’re making an assertion. You claim god is real. Why can’t I make the claim that god isn’t real? I don’t address the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus because we don’t have fully grown adults running around using their stories to oppress everyone else and make claims of divinity. You do that with your God and your bible, not with the tooth fairy. As far as your “accurate prophecies” go… It’s called coincidence. They aren’t accurate, they’re vague prophecies which many events (and in some cases any) can fill. I could tell a story of some major disaster that happens in the future. Maybe it’ll happen 5 years from now or maybe it’ll happen a million years from now. Probability is on my side that it will eventually happen especially if I make the “prophecy” vague. It’s a matter of rationalizing the situation OR not thinking at all and just filling the gap with the answer to anything you don’t understand, “god.” You don’t go writing “god” as the answer to a math exam question that you don’t know how to answer, but you do with all other unanswered questions. You don’t bother to ask why. You’re indoctrinated. And because of it you fail to question things like “why are homosexuals, homosexuals.” Instead you just figure they are to piss off your god. And you use your god and bible to oppress them. And if you don’t then you’re a hypocrite cafeteria christian. “Oh I like that part of the bible, but not this part. That doesn’t apply anymore, but this does.” Sorry to break the news to you, but you’re not a nice person if you’re a real christian. Maybe on some occasions, but eventually you’re going to pass judgment on someone without any rational thought because your bible says so.

    P.S.- There’s no such thing as magic.

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    Scott

    Alex, where in the Bible does it predict all that, and how is it unequivocally fulfilled? Honestly, a historian could have easily made those guesses – when empires rules the globe (Rome, Britain, etc), wouldn’t that have been “one world government”? What is the universal currency we all use? I know my dollars aren’t good in Europe. The overall condition of the world is usually pretty bleak – it’s not a stretch to guess that accurately . The “beast” on the horizon is just like many mythical figures that never came to pass – does anyone worry about the Midgard serpent anymore? As for why atheists are so critical of “God” & his followers: http://tinyurl.com/nf6mwt

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    Alex

    First of all, I don’t have enough power to oppress anyone. Any “snap judgements” I have made, were made because I’m human, not because I’m a Christian. I don’t and I never will consider someone a second class citizen, because they don’t believe as I do. Secondly, I accept the validity of the whole Bible, though I don’t understand every single part, just as someone would accept the validity of mathematics, though they don’t understand Calculus.

    As for homosexuals go, I was raised by one. I learned a great many things about homosexuals, from my upbringing. I learned that they are human, just like me. They possess all the same strengths, weaknesses, insecurities, and talents that the rest of humanity possesses. I don’t judge them. Praise be to God, it is not, and will never be my job to judge anyone. Even Jesus Christ, the only one worthy of judging, didn’t judge people. I think John 8:11 is the quintessential verse on the way to bring people to faith, and salvation, through Jesus Christ.

    Just because some people call themselves Christians does not mean they are. If a person passes judgement, on anyone for any reason, they run the risk of being judged by the same standard they used to judge. I can appreciate your distaste for this particular breed of “Christian”.
    I don’t much care for their particular kind of “Christianity”. Not everything that shines is gold. Christians are nothing special, we’re just forgiven. Jesus said in John 8:15, “Ye judge after the flesh, I judge no man”. True Christians are supposed to love people to Jesus, not browbeat, threaten, coerce, intimidate, or force them.

    Please don’t be offended by my posts, again I am simply offering a different perspective.

    P.S.- Many of the prophecies have not happened, yet. Even as a Christian I find it difficult to understand things in the Bible. But I have faith that all will transpire, as it has been fortold. If you believe, no proof is needed; If you don’t believe, no proof is enough.

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    Scott Waybright

    Alex,

    I’m curious about your feelings about homosexuality given that you were raised by a gay parent and that you say you “accept the validity of the whole Bible.” Surely, you know what murderous and vile things the Bible has to say about fags (of which I am one, BTW).

    I’ve heard so many times that Old Testament laws don’t apply today, but to me that is beside the point. I asked a Christian friend of mine once about this issue. He is a modern Christian who is fairly accepting of gays. I asked if he and I lived under the law, and it were discovered I had slept with another man, would he have joined our neighbors and killed me. He paused for a while and finally replied that he’s just glad he didn’t live back then, not really answering the question. To me, that is just sick. If I were asked a similar question, there would be nothing to think about, I would immediately answer HELL NO!

    I used to be a Christian, and like you I believed the Bible was entirely true and anything in it that seemed wrong to me was just a symptom of my limited human understanding. Now I realize that I don’t believe killing fags is and always has been wrong because I’m a stupid human, I believe it because it really is true. Once I got that figured out (yes, it took me long enough, but at 23 years old, I finally got there), I threw out my sick religious upbringing and haven’t looked back these five years since.

    PS. I accept mathematics without understanding Calculus, too, but then Calculus doesn’t teach that killing fags was EVER a decent thing to do, much less a moral imperative. I think everyone should apply a LOT of skeptical inquiry into anything that does before they accept it as true and morally good! I would certainly expect no less of someone who was raised by a gay parent.

    Scott

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    Jim

    Alex, there are tools out there for escaping the clutches of religion. Try http://www.richarddawkins.net

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    Alex

    Scott,

    I, as a follower of Jesus Christ, would not ever take it upon myself to mete out “justice”. That is not my job, nor do I want it. One of the things my upbringing taught me is that you shouldn’t always follow the mob, or it’s mentality. I was taught to think for myself. I can’t speak for your friend, but killing another human being on the basis of who they slept with, is a place I can’t quite get to, mentally. I am reminded of the mob who wanted to stone a woman that was caught in adultery. Jesus said “…He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Then the Bible says that Jesus, and the woman, were left standing alone after all the people, convicted by their own consciences, left. The only person that ever lived, that was able to judge this woman, did not. There is a universe of difference between righteousness and self-righteousness. As it did in this Bible story, the mob usually practices the latter.

    I’m not sure if this line of thinking is right or wrong. But I do know that Jesus Christ loves, and died, for all people, gay or straight. The Bible says, in 2Peter 3:9 that Jesus is”…not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” Again, this verse makes no distinction about one’s sexual orientation.

    I try to love, and see, people as Jesus does, sinners who need a savior. But please bear in mind that he looks at all of us with love. And just so you don’t think I’m being self-righteous, I offer a partial list of sinners I know personally:
    -Me
    -My wife
    -My mother
    -My father
    -My sister
    -My pastor

    PS- Jim, I agree with you. People do need to escape religion. That is why I don’t have one. I try to have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Take care everyone, and God bless you. :)

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    Scott

    Alex, isn’t Christianity a religion? Why do you say you don’t have one? It certainly has organized ideas like one…

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    Jim

    “I was taught to think for myself.”-A

    That is fine, so long as you recognise that you don’t do so in a rational way.

    ” the irony of you using the Bible, to prove it is wrong, is not lost on me. Take care and God bless you.”-A

    First of all, he wasn’t using the bible to prove the bible “wrong”, he was using the bible to prove the bible “condoning of murder”.

    Second of all, even if one desired to attempt to bring question to the credibility of any given text (not necessarily the bible) there is no logical fault in pointing out contradictions within it to deduce that since such contradictions exist, there must be a fallacy. If one WERE to attempt to prove the bible incorrect, one would have to use what’s actually written IN that bible for the purpose of comparing it to known facts, would they not? I’m failing to see how doing such a logical thing could be seen as ironic.

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    GreenStar

    Alex,

    You said the following:

    “If you believe, no proof is needed; If you don’t believe, no proof is enough.”

    Now, I am unsure if you thought about this before you typed it and hit submit, but please re-read it again if you have a second. What you’re saying is that “if you believe in something, you don’t need any physical proof” correct? So, if I believe that a flying spaghetti monster is going to come to earth, murder all of the homosexuals, silence the women and have people sacrifice their children to show their support of the flying spaghetti monster – it must be true…. right?

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