The Good Atheist 091


I’m going to be busy for the rest of the week preparing my presentation for this weekend, so unfortunately that means until Friday, there will be no posting. Don’t worry though; we’ll still be recording your favorite podcast.

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    Isaac

    I’m confused. Where are the surveys?

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    Jacob Fortin

    Check your email man!

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    Isaac

    I got nothing. I Quadriple checked. Nothing about surveys.

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    Isaac

    About 30 minutes into the show, Jacob is talking about Kamikazes, “but the crazy thing was that when they ask for appilcants, they had to turn people away. Alright I think there was a total… the the… total amount of people that volenteered and died, or the the volenteers that had…” and then it cuts off right there.

    Thanks for trying.

    Oh I do think it’s weird for people to plan their on funeral, an event their obviously not going to live to see.

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    Jacob Fortin

    I just fixed it, so you survey people should have the full show now. Sorry, it must have glitched in the upload.

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    Jim

    Waterworld wasn’t too bad a movie!

    Also I have a point for you two.

    I am a passionate man. There are causes I would die for. I’m also not religious. I’m not afraid of being dead, I’m sure to me it will be much like it was before I was alive.

    There are also many Tamil tiger suicide bombers who arguably do what they do for purely political reasons, which have nothing to do with religious conflict.

    Be careful with generalisations.

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    Jim

    I’ll elaborate a little on that, my first point is vague. Regarding people becoming suicide bombers, you say this:

    “…the right combination of things have to be there but at the end of the day the fuse for me is religion, and to deny that i think is really careless…”

    Let’s talk about the combination suicide bombers need to ‘do the deed’. I think there are two basic things. I would say criterion #1, which i suppose could be the ‘fuse’ as you put it, is blinding passion; strong enough such that it overcomes the immensely powerful human instinct of self preservation. #2 is conflict, whether overt or not, with those opposed to your cause.

    I haven’t talked about religion yet, and there is a reason for that. It doesn’t NECESSARILY have to enter the picture. The Tamils I mentioned in my previous post certainly aren’t blowing themselves up for a religious cause. I would be willing to bet that many of them weren’t even strongly religious, and that those that were probably subscribed to the Buddhist faith, which certainly doesn’t consider suicide as an act of spiritual progression.

    You don’t NEED to have religion to develop passion strong enough to blow yourself up in support of your cause and in conflict with your enemy. It’s common for religion to be this source of passion, but to imply that religion is the sole motivator is inaccurate in a potentially inflammatory way.

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    Jacob Fortin

    There are of course exceptions to every rule Jim, that’s for sure. But by putting the focus so strongly on “passion”, it’s a vague statement that may seem to make sense, but even that is more complicated. My main concern is to explain how the supposed other explanations offered for the motivation of suicide bombers still have a root cause in religion. I think I made a strong case in the show, but I’m not suggesting that it’s the only cause of suicide bombings alone. Just a really HUGE one.

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    Jim

    If by huge you mean a vast majority, yes. But not universal, which was my only point. But I’d disagree with the following quote:

    “My main concern is to explain how the supposed other explanations offered for the motivation of suicide bombers still have a root cause in religion.”

    All you need is emotion strong enough to drive you to rash irrationality (that’s got a ring to it). A family member killed, a town destroyed, a country ravaged…

    I put the focus on passion because putting the focus solely on religion is misleading. There is a step missing. To many it may seem as though I am splitting hairs, but I think it’s very important to analyse these issues as accurately as possible without skipping corners, so as to avoid generalisation.

    A lot of the time, even the vast majority of the time, religion will provide the spark for this fuse, as you put it. But not ALL the time. I disagree with blanket terms, and the “but at the end of the day the fuse for me is religion, and to deny that i think is really careless” quote struck me as one, regardless of whether or not it is mostly true anyway.

    “But by putting the focus so strongly on “passion”, it’s a vague statement that may seem to make sense, but even that is more complicated.”

    could you please explain how? if you get a moment.

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