It’s not my law; it’s God’s!

I think what upsets me the most about many Christians is their incessant need to remind non-believers we are going to burn in eternal fire for not subscribing to their religion. Personally, I find it a most repulsive idea, and the tragedy is most of these individuals are convinced that by reminding us our ‘souls’ are facing eternal torture, they are actually doing us a big favor.

The problem here is not their proselytizing; I actually don’t mind when people try to change my opinion about a subject. It allows me to ‘preach’ my atheism back to them, so at least there’s an implicit understanding there. My problem is how easily these people seem to gloss over the fact fundamentally, they have no moral objection to seeing me eternally tortured. They believe since the rulebook wasn’t written by them, it isn’t their responsibility as to what happens when non-believers die; that’s all God’s doing.

There are plenty of terrible examples of the kind of horror humans inflict on one another when they are simply ‘following orders’. The Millgram experiments in the 60s showed so long as human beings are told by a person of authority what to do, over half of the test subjects were willing to kill someone if ultimately the responsibility wasn’t theirs. It was a chilling reminder that even the nicest people can do evil things given the right circumstances.

My message to Christians is fairly straightforward; you shouldn’t accept the poisonous idea non-believers are condemned to hell. If your God really is all loving, there’s no reason to punish those who simply fail to accept his existence. Besides, there are so many religions out there the odds are stacked AGAINST anyone actually getting the right one, so it’s likely that we’d all end up in Hell anyways. What a terrible thing to think, is it not?

So, please stop trying to pass the buck and claim it isn’t your choice that I go to Hell. If you are a good person, how could you accept that your Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, or Jewish friend will be burning in brimstone and ash while you enjoy the comforts of paradise? Could you eat a great meal if you had to consume it in front of a bunch of starving African children? If you could, then shame on you.

Comments (124)

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    Rich R

    Personally I am thankful to Ben and even “Creationist” for taking time to share. I am always fascinated by the twisting that people do to prop up what I feel is an ultimately undependable position and still come out feeling justified and having the moral high ground. At least that’s how it feels to me. I have a few favorite religious pundits in my life and they always start with the same basic canards that we’ve all heard “Jesus sacrificed for YOU…”. But I don’t accept the premise (such as exactly what was sacrificed and how would it help someone else). It’s fascinating that they never think about theses basic things or accept them so readily, at least publicly.

    If it weren’t for them, this big tower of script wouldn’t have been very thought provoking. After all, I understand how rational people think for the most part.

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    Rich R

    @”Atheists are gossipers”- Firstly I fail to see what you mean by “gossip”. Secondly, you seem pretty sure in your own right to speak freely with whatever vitriol you want, yet you chastise others for doing so.

    Over all, your post childish petulant response to people speaking against that which you refuse to question, chock full of inane non sequiturs and wrong headed thinking.

    Thanks for sharing!

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    ATHEISTS ARE GOSSIPERS

    There is no such things as “the good atheist”

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    ATHEISTS ARE GOSSIPERS

    @Mercer: You need to take your comment, and SHOVE IT UP YOUR @$$!!! lol!!! You gotta be 45, with no life, no REAL friends, and you have a 2nd grade education. you atheists aren’t the most logical people on earth your comment is the ignorant proof, somebody told me to check out this, HORRIBLE TREATCHOROUS SITE!!! Why are you such a crazy stupid mutha-fuckin asshole lol!!! “creationist” siad nothing offensive, he was just telling the truth!!! Freedom of speech you know, Oh! You wouldn’t know you’re an “atheist” lol I just commented on a robot!!!

    GO GET A LIFE MERCER!!! lol ;)

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    ATHEISTS ARE GOSSIPERS

    YOU CAN’T PROVE GOD IS NOT HERE IDIOTS!!! lol ;)

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    ATHEISTS ARE GOSSIPERS

    @Rich R I chastise people for making fun of people and being assholes!!! lol :)

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    Thomas Mattew Reeder

    I may be antheist but if you don’t like people who spread religon, why don’t you just ignore it? I do, and it works fine for me. I mean, why create a sattire for religois people? It makes us look bad, and “evil” or whatever. How about actually accomplishing something so when “religous” people say “atheists screw up this world” {which we don’t were just normal people who don’t believe there is a god}we can throw our success in their god praising asses?

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    James Pertue

    @Rich R scince you are mentally incompetent of iterpreting my words {you are not very RATIONAL with your thinking either} you gossip dumbass!!!
    ASK YOURSELF WHAT YOU REALLY WANT
    1. Do you have a job(s)?
    2. Why ae you so hateful?
    3. Why do you feel the need to tease religous people?
    4. Why do you think you’re so perfect?
    5. If you’re SO courteous, why do you disrespect people and expect them to become atheist?
    6. Are you aware of http://knowledgefiles.com ?
    7. Are you aware of http://viligantcitizen.com ?

    BTW: those aren’t christian sites

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    Darwin

    @Atheists are gossipers
    You can’t prove he is here either.

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    Darwin

    Joseph Heller totally fucks up the god argument in Catch-22:
    “And don’t tell me God works in mysterious ways,” Yossarian continued, hurtling on over her objection. “There’s nothing so mysterious about it. He’s not working at all. He’s playing. Or else, He’s forgotten all about us. That’s the kind of God you people talk about – a country bumpkin, a clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much reverence can you have for a supreme being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatological mind of His when he robbed old people of their power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?”
    “Pain?” Lieutenant Schiesskopf’s wife pounced upon the word victoriously. “Pain is a useful symptom. Pain is a warning to us about bodily dangers.”

    “And who created the dangers?” Yossarian demanded, He laughed caustically. “Oh, He was really being charitable to us when He gave us pain! Why couldn’t He have used a doorbell instead to notify us, or one of His celestial choirs? Or a system of blue-and-red neon tubes right in the middle of each person’s forehead? Any jukebox manufacturer worth his salt could have done that. Why couldn’t He?”

    “People would certainly look silly walking around with red neon tubes in the middle of their foreheads.”

    “They certainly look beautiful now writhing in agony or stupified with morphine, don’t they? What a colossal, immortal blunderer! When you consider the opportunity and power he had to really do a job, and then look at the stupid ugly little mess He made of it instead, His sheer incompetence is almost staggering. It’s obvious. He never met a payroll. Why, no self-respecting businessman would hire a bungler like Him as even a shipping clerk!”

    “You’d better not talk that way about Him, honey,” she warned him reprovingly in a low and hostile voice. “He might punish you.”

    “Isn’t He punishing me enough?” Yossarian snorted resentfully. “You know, we mustn’t let him get away with it. Oh no, we certainly musn’t let Him get away scot-free for all the sorrow He’s caused us. Someday I’m going to make Him pay. I know when. On the Judgement Day. Yes, that’s the day I’ll be close enough to reach out and grab that little yokel by His neck and -”

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    AARmy The Horny Demon

    Kookyinc? It’s you? I remember you! You paid me for me to let you suck my cock! After that I discarded you like the bitch that you are; you are a fine example of an Atheist, pathetic, useless and homosexual trash. And to Darwin; I can prove God is real because the millions of reports of Ghosts prove it; the only place where you and your little gay friend Yossarian and the maker of that article you poster are going is Hell.

    “Atheism is so senseless, when I look up at the stars I think who put them there.” — Issac Newton – The most intelligent scientist ever.

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    AARmy The Horny Demon

    Actual quote of Issac Newton:

    “Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance.” – Sir Isaac Newton

    Atheists are just little hateful fucktards will small cocks and vagina’s, they say they don’t believe in things that can’t be seen yet evolution has never been seen yet the atheists believe in that! You see how they use an excuse of why they don’t believe in God? Their excuse is failable and flawed and can easily be disproven as I just proved.

    So no, Atheists probably do believe in God but just hate him because they got raped by their fathers as children or they are sick homosexuals who have sex with animals. That is not God’s fault that is yours snorts The Horny Demon while masturbating off to an Richard Darkin’s Mother who is a strip Dancer. Further more all Atheists are depressed which just shows that anyone with their beliefs hates themselves muffles The Horny Demon while dancing on Darkin’s grave with a big gay smile.

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    AARmy The Horny Demon

    So yes; Atheist arguments are pathetic and can easily be disproved. In the future there will be no Atheism. So to all the Atheists on this site;

    FUCK OFF AND GET A LIFE AND STOP MASTURBATING OFF TO THAT CRAP GAME CALLED OBLIVION AND THAT INCLUDES YOU JASON BASSANT YOU ATHEIST COCK SUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WHO I WILL SHOOT PERSONALLY!

    AND ISSAC; YOU AREN’T ISSAC NEWTON; HE DISPROVED ATHEISM AS THE QUOTE SHOWED.

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    The Horny Demon

    Eh, what can I say? I am a horny demon!

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    Daniel

    Sometimes you read something so stupid you’re not even sure if responding is neccessary, let alone a good idea. This is the case with everything ATHEISTS ARE GOSSIPERS has written. Sometimes you just know the person is stupid and crazy and you think–why bother responding to such idiocy?

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    Daniel

    Then you read the idiot troll AARmy The Horny Demon and you realize ATHEISTS ARE GOSSIPERS isn’t the biggest idiot on the planet.

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    bobtheantman

    Infinite torture for finite crime is unjust.

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    Jesus Christ

    Understand Jesus’ Core Message

    Simply take a moment to think about the following statement:

    “Hello, my name is Jesus. I love you deeply. I have loved you since you were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity. I died for you on the cross because I love you so much. I long to have a loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers through my love. But if you do not get down on your knees and worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY BWAH HA HA HA HA HA!”
    Yes, this is the central message of Christianity. See John 6:53-54 and Mark 16:16.
    Think about this message. We have a being who, according to the Standard Model of God, embodies love. Yet, if you do not get down on your knees and worship him, you will be physically tortured for all eternity. What sort of love is that?

    The utter silliness and contradiction of Jesus’ core message should make it obvious to you: God is imaginary.

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    Jesus Christ

    Ponder Pascal’s Wager

    You will frequently hear believers make the following rationalization:

    Suppose you are right. Suppose there is no God. Then when I die as a believer, I have lost nothing. I just die, as a man that devoted his life to love and morals. But if you, as a non-believer, are wrong and I am right, you have to spend an eternity in hell. See, I have nothing to lose, but you have everything to lose.
    This argument is best known as Pascal’s Wager.
    The problem with this line of reasoning is that there are thousands of gods that humans have imagined. A person who believes in Allah can make this statement, and so can a person who believes in God, and so can a person who believes in Vishnu. This multitude of fictional beings shows the silliness of the argument. There is no way to know which god to choose, because there is no evidence whatsoever indicating that any of them exist.

    The fact is that religion is delusion. All human gods are imaginary. By believing in an imaginary god, a believer has not “lost nothing.” Believers commit themselves to a lifetime of delusion, instead of commiting their lives to reality.

    Non-believers, in contrast, live moral and loving lives without having to resort to delusion. Non-believers are normal human beings who embrace reality rather than delusion. As a result, they live much healthier lives.

    The fact that there are so many gods proves that all of these gods are imaginary. If there actually were an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving “god” in any form, he would be obvious to everyone and we would all align on him. His existence would be undeniable and impossible to hide.

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    Jesus Christ

    Notice how many gods you reject

    There are literally thousands of religions being practiced today. Here are 20 of the most popular, along with an estimate of the number of followers:

    Christianity: 2.1 billion
    Islam: 1.3 billion
    Hinduism: 900 million
    Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
    Buddhism: 376 million
    African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
    Sikhism: 23 million
    Juche: 19 million
    Spiritism: 15 million
    Judaism: 14 million
    Baha’i: 7 million
    Jainism: 4.2 million
    Shinto: 4 million
    Cao Dai: 4 million
    Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
    Tenrikyo: 2 million
    Neo-Paganism: 1 million
    Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
    Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
    Scientology: 500 thousand
    [Source: Encyclopedia Britannica]
    If you believe in God, you have chosen to reject Allah, Vishnu, Budda, Waheguru and all of the thousands of other gods that other people worship today. It is quite likely that you rejected these other gods without ever looking into their religions or reading their books. You simply absorbed the dominant faith in your home or in the society you grew up in.

    In the same way, the followers of all these other religions have chosen to reject God. You think their gods are imaginary, and they think your God is imaginary.

    In other words, each religious person on earth today arbitrarily rejects thousands of gods as imaginary, many of which he/she has never even heard of, and arbitrarily chooses to “believe” in one of them.

    The following quote from Stephen F. Roberts sums up the situation very nicely:

    “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
    A rational person rejects all human gods equally, because all of them are equally imaginary. How do we know that they are imaginary? Simply imagine that one of them is real. If one of these thousands of gods were actually real, then his followers would be experiencing real, undeniable benefits. These benefits would be obvious to everyone. The followers of a true god would pray, and their prayers would be answered. The followers of a true god would therefore live longer, have fewer diseases, have lots more money, etc. There would be thousands of statistical markers surrounding the followers of a true god.

    Everyone would notice all of these benefits, and they would gravitate toward this true god. And thus, over the course of several centuries, everyone would be aligned on the one true god. All the other false gods would have fallen by the wayside long ago, and there would be only one religion under the one true god.

    When we look at our world today, we see nothing like that. There are two billion Christians AND there are more than one billion Muslims, and their religions are mutually exclusive. There are thousands of other religions. When you analyse any of them, they all show a remarkable similarity — there is zero evidence that any of these gods exist. That is how we know that they are all imaginary.

    Understanding the Rationalizations
    You will frequently hear believers make the following rationalization:

    Suppose you are right. Suppose there is no God. Then when I die as a believer, I have lost nothing. I just die, as a man that devoted his life to love and morals. But if you, as a non-believer, are wrong and I am right, you have to spend an eternity in hell. See, I have nothing to lose, but you have everything to lose.
    The problem with this line of reasoning is that there are thousands of gods that humans have imagined. A person who believes in Allah can make this statement, and so can a person who believes in God, and so can a person who believes in Vishnu.
    The fact is that religion is a form of delusion. By believing in an imaginary god, you have not “lost nothing.” What you have done is commited yourself to a lifetime of delusion, instead of commiting your life to reality. Non-believers live moral and loving lives without having to resort to delusion.

    The fact that there are so many gods proves that all of these gods are imaginary. If there actually were an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving “god” in any form, that would be obvious to everyone and we would all align on him. His existence would be undeniable and impossible to hide.

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    Jesus Christ

    Imagine that we are good friends. One day we are talking:

    Me: Wow, you will not believe this new book I’ve been reading!
    You: What’s it about?

    Me: It is a manual for living a better life. It is also a guide to creating a better society for ourselves and our children. It has changed my life!

    You: That sounds like an important book. Who wrote it?

    Me: The author is supposed to be the smartest person in the universe.

    You: That’s amazing — if the author is the smartest person in the universe, the book must be absolutely brilliant. I can’t wait to see it. Do you have a copy with you?

    Me: Absolutely! I carry it with me everywhere I go! Here, have a look for yourself…

    You open the book to a random page, and you find this:
    Any of the people of Israel, or of the aliens who reside in Israel, who give any of their offspring to Molech shall be put to death; the people of the land shall stone them to death. I myself will set my face against them, and will cut them off from the people, because they have given of their offspring to Molech, defiling my sanctuary and profaning my holy name. And if the people of the land should ever close their eyes to them, when they give of their offspring to Molech, and do not put them to death, I myself will set my face against them and against their family, and will cut them off from among their people, them and all who follow them in prostituting themselves to Molech.
    If any turn to mediums and wizards, prostituting themselves to them, I will set my face against them, and will cut them off from the people. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy; for I am the Lord your God. Keep my statutes, and observe them; I am the Lord; I sanctify you. All who curse father or mother shall be put to death; having cursed father or mother, their blood is upon them.

    If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. The man who lies with his father’s wife has uncovered his father’s nakedness; both of them shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. [Leviticus, chapter 20]

    You are not quite sure what to say. You look at me for a moment.
    You: I thought you said that this is written by the most intelligent person in the universe. If we are going to follow what this author says, we have to kill half the people in America. We are supposed to kill everyone who has cursed his father or mother, everyone who has committed adultery, and every homosexual.
    Me: Well, that’s in the old testament, you see. The book is really two books, and the “old” part of the book doesn’t really apply.

    You: Are you saying that the smartest person in the universe once wanted us to kill every adulterer and homosexual, but then changed his mind? That somehow makes it better? If the “old part” no longer applies, then why did you hand it to me when I asked to see the book?

    Me: Well, parts of it do apply.

    You: Didn’t you just tell me that it doesn’t apply?

    You open the book to another random page and you find this:
    When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone. But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person’, then his master shall bring him before God. He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.
    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife. And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out without debt, without payment of money.

    Whoever strikes a person mortally shall be put to death. If it was not premeditated, but came about by an act of God, then I will appoint for you a place to which the killer may flee. But if someone wilfully attacks and kills another by treachery, you shall take the killer from my altar for execution.

    Whoever strikes father or mother shall be put to death.

    Whoever kidnaps a person, whether that person has been sold or is still held in possession, shall be put to death. Whoever curses father or mother shall be put to death.

    When individuals quarrel and one strikes the other with a stone or fist so that the injured party, though not dead, is confined to bed, but recovers and walks around outside with the help of a staff, then the assailant shall be free of liability, except to pay for the loss of time, and to arrange for full recovery.

    When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property. [Exodus, chapter 21]

    Again, you are dumfounded. Here the author of the book is advocating slavery, the branding of slaves, and the wholesale beating of slaves. You are not quite sure what to say. You look at me for a moment.
    You: You have to be kidding me. Here the “smartest person in the universe” is telling us that slavery is OK and that we are free to beat our slaves.

    You open the book to another random page and you find this:
    I desire, then, that in every place the men should pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or argument; also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, but with good works, as is proper for women who profess reverence for God. Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty. [1 Timothy, chapter 2]
    You are nearly speechless. But you manage to find your voice.
    You: Is this some kind of joke? “I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man.” That is totally sexist! In America, there are millions of female teachers and we have women throughout our corporate and govenment hierarchies. No intelligent person believes that women should be silenced.
    As you page through the book further you find that it is totally sexist from beginning to end.
    You keep opening the book to random pages, and nearly everything you find is utter nonsense. Either it is meaningless, completely irrelevant, disgusting or downright wrong.

    If you are a scientist it is even worse, and it starts with the very first line:

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth…
    That’s not true. In the beginning a natural event created the universe as we know it, and the earth did not form until billions of years later. The creation story in Genesis is completely wrong. Simply read Genesis and you can see it. For example, the Bible says that light and darkness are created after the water but before the sun. Everyone knows that the sun came first, then the planet and its rotation (which is what causes light and darkness to occur on a daily basis) and then the water, and this all happened over million of years. There are many other problems with the Bible:
    Man did not come from a handful of dust through some mythological being. Man evolved from other species like every other living thing has for hundreds of millions of years.
    The Bible talks about a world-wide flood that covered earth in 5.5 miles of water and killed everything, yet we know it never happened. That is clear from the archeolgical record.
    There was no tower of Babel where God confounded the languages of mankind.
    The list goes on and on. The Bible is nonsense in a thousand different scientific ways.
    Ask yourself this simple question: Why, when you read the Bible, are you not left in awe? Why doesn’t a book written by an omniscient being leave you with a sense of wonder and amazement? If you are reading a book written by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe, wouldn’t you expect to be stunned by the brilliance, the clarity and the wisdom of the author? Would you not expect each new page to intoxicate you with its incredible prose and its spectacular insight? Wouldn’t you expect the author to tell us things that scientists have not been able to discover yet?

    Yet, when we open the Bible and actually read it, we find it is nothing like that at all. Instead of leaving us in awe, it leaves us dumbfounded by all of the nonsense and backwardness that it contains. If you read what the Bible actually says, you find that the Bible is ridiculous. The examples shown above barely scratch the surface of the Bible’s numerous problems. If we are honest with ourselves, it is obvious that an “all-knowing” God had absolutely nothing to do with this book.

    The reason why the Bible contains so much nonsense is because God is imaginary. The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today.

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    Lee(f)

    Above poster, whose name I will not repeat:

    I appreciate your post for the most part but could not read the whole thing… it was like actually reading the bible for crying out loud.

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    Traci Horovitz

    Thanks for the article.

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    Vito Nealy

    The Palestinians are crazy even to consider talking to Israel when it continues to build on Palestinian lands in Jerusalem and the West Bank. Also, without the involvement of Hamas, the talks are meaningless. The prediction that the negotiations will be complete “successfully” within one year shows that Obama and Hillary Clinton are completely delusional. They seem to live in a different planet.

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