Comments on: Tired Christian Claim #3: The evidence for the existence of Jesus is overwhelming http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/ chilling tales of godlessness!!! Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:10:28 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: JamesBain http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-12097 JamesBain Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:53:34 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-12097 Hmm. I am an occasional atheist. Except when I am confronted by string theory and the like... I occasionally have Joy in my life; lately, though, she's been on vacation, so I'm Joyless, as we speak (How else are we to know Joy, if not by the absence of Joy?). I have only one true, discernable purpose: I am worm and microbe food. Correction: my body is worm and microbe food. I find having a purpose in a world that has evolved, at least in my lifetime, into a fulltime hand in my pocket to be a waste of time, especially considering that the last chunk of rock that went sailing between earth and the moon only advertised its presence three or four days before passing through and, like any well-fired bullet, we'll never hear the one that hits us. Which brings up my admiration for the truly dominant lifeform on planet earth: microbes, which have been around, I'm led to understand, since well before Fred and Barney were drag racing with their pet brontosaurians. If there is a deity, it is, in my humble opinion, just as likely to be along the lines of God the Utterly Indifferent, in Kurt Vonnegut's "Sirens of Titan" (A thoroughly instructive tome, masquerading as light fiction...). The bottom line is this: if there be God, and you are convinced of this, you need to live your life completely in that light; if there isn't, there's nothing stopping you from becoming another Hitler, or something along the lines of an antichrist (in other words, acquire and exercise as much power on earth as can be mustered.) and enjoy the boons and usufructs of your labors before that coronal mass ejection makes everyone's life (including, needless to say, all you worshippers out there...) about as relevant as a mouse fart in a hurricane. Enjoy yourselves, it's later than you think... Hmm. I am an occasional atheist. Except when I am confronted by string theory and the like…
I occasionally have Joy in my life; lately, though, she’s been on vacation, so I’m Joyless, as we speak (How else are we to know Joy, if not by the absence of Joy?).
I have only one true, discernable purpose: I am worm and microbe food. Correction: my body is worm and microbe food. I find having a purpose in a world that has evolved, at least in my lifetime, into a fulltime hand in my pocket to be a waste of time, especially considering that the last chunk of rock that went sailing between earth and the moon only advertised its presence three or four days before passing through and, like any well-fired bullet, we’ll never hear the one that hits us. Which brings up my admiration for the truly dominant lifeform on planet earth: microbes, which have been around, I’m led to understand, since well before Fred and Barney were drag racing with their pet brontosaurians.
If there is a deity, it is, in my humble opinion, just as likely to be along the lines of God the Utterly Indifferent, in Kurt Vonnegut’s “Sirens of Titan” (A thoroughly instructive tome, masquerading as light fiction…).
The bottom line is this: if there be God, and you are convinced of this, you need to live your life completely in that light; if there isn’t, there’s nothing stopping you from becoming another Hitler, or something along the lines of an antichrist (in other words, acquire and exercise as much power on earth as can be mustered.) and enjoy the boons and usufructs of your labors before that coronal mass ejection makes everyone’s life (including, needless to say, all you worshippers out there…) about as relevant as a mouse fart in a hurricane.
Enjoy yourselves, it’s later than you think…

]]> By: Kevin http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-11951 Kevin Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:36:59 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-11951 Holy logical fallacy Batman, I think Terry just went through the entire list of easily refutable arguments: "The Bible is God’s Word. It is infallible." The bible was written by religious priests to sell a story. You needn't look any further than the first page to realize it makes a mistake. Two separate Creation stories - written by two different authors (no, Moses did not write the Pentateuch.) There are numerous contradictions. No Christian person believes in the infallibility of the bible because they do not believe the entire thing. "A true Christian life is joyful and has purpose." So is my life. I'm an atheist. I have joy and have a purpose in life. "Why does an atheist feel the need to try to prove that God doesn’t exist?" No atheist is trying to prove in god's non-existence. People who claim 'there is no god' are as religious as those who say 'there is definitely a god.' I have no reason to believe in the existence of the Judeo-Christian god of the bible, so I don't believe. "We all have to believe in a lot of things that we cannot see or touch, (an example being the wind)." We don't need to believe the wind exists. We can feel it, we can see its effects, we can experience the wind. I've never had an experience I could say 'oh, that's god.' The wind is a force with a scientific explanation. God is magic. "If I live a Christian life and it turns out there is no God, I haven’t lost anything. But if there is a God and there is a heaven and a hell, an atheist has lost everything." Pascal's Wager! Yay! I love this argument! You can also alternatively say, 'If it turns out that Thor/Anubis/Zeus/Cthulhu/FSM doesn't exist, I haven't lost anything. If they do exist, then those who don't worship have lost everything.' Also this statement: "There will be no atheist in heaven or hell." Doesn't make sense with your previous argument. "The Bible says there every knee (including former atheists) will bow before God." The bible says a lot of things. The bible says that slavery is okay, and rapists can marry their victims for the equivalent of $300. "God loves you whether you believe in Him or not." If god loves me whether I believe in him or not, and I live a good and moral life, then I doubt he's the kind of person to go "YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE IN ME, NOW BURN IN ETERNAL FIRE!" Love != Eternal Punishment. "God is also a God of justice and He will have to judge everyone for what we have done." And this smacks in the face of all Christian theology, because if all you have to do to get into heaven is accept Christianity, then it doesn't matter what you do the rest of your life or what you did before it. "I'm with him" doesn't make a really good theology. "We do not know how long til Jesus returns for His people but He is coming back." Paul thought he was coming back before his generation faded from the earth. Paul's generation is long-gone. "Please accept Him as your Lord and Savior." Nah, I'm good, thanks. Holy logical fallacy Batman, I think Terry just went through the entire list of easily refutable arguments:

“The Bible is God’s Word. It is infallible.”

The bible was written by religious priests to sell a story. You needn’t look any further than the first page to realize it makes a mistake. Two separate Creation stories – written by two different authors (no, Moses did not write the Pentateuch.) There are numerous contradictions. No Christian person believes in the infallibility of the bible because they do not believe the entire thing.

“A true Christian life is joyful and has purpose.”

So is my life. I’m an atheist. I have joy and have a purpose in life.

“Why does an atheist feel the need to try to prove that God doesn’t exist?”

No atheist is trying to prove in god’s non-existence. People who claim ‘there is no god’ are as religious as those who say ‘there is definitely a god.’ I have no reason to believe in the existence of the Judeo-Christian god of the bible, so I don’t believe.

“We all have to believe in a lot of things that we cannot see or touch, (an example being the wind).”

We don’t need to believe the wind exists. We can feel it, we can see its effects, we can experience the wind. I’ve never had an experience I could say ‘oh, that’s god.’ The wind is a force with a scientific explanation. God is magic.

“If I live a Christian life and it turns out there is no God, I haven’t lost anything. But if there is a God and there is a heaven and a hell, an atheist has lost everything.”

Pascal’s Wager! Yay! I love this argument! You can also alternatively say, ‘If it turns out that Thor/Anubis/Zeus/Cthulhu/FSM doesn’t exist, I haven’t lost anything. If they do exist, then those who don’t worship have lost everything.’

Also this statement: “There will be no atheist in heaven or hell.” Doesn’t make sense with your previous argument.

“The Bible says there every knee (including former atheists) will bow before God.”

The bible says a lot of things. The bible says that slavery is okay, and rapists can marry their victims for the equivalent of $300.

“God loves you whether you believe in Him or not.”

If god loves me whether I believe in him or not, and I live a good and moral life, then I doubt he’s the kind of person to go “YOU DIDN’T BELIEVE IN ME, NOW BURN IN ETERNAL FIRE!” Love != Eternal Punishment.

“God is also a God of justice and He will have to judge everyone for what we have done.”

And this smacks in the face of all Christian theology, because if all you have to do to get into heaven is accept Christianity, then it doesn’t matter what you do the rest of your life or what you did before it. “I’m with him” doesn’t make a really good theology.

“We do not know how long til Jesus returns for His people but He is coming back.”

Paul thought he was coming back before his generation faded from the earth. Paul’s generation is long-gone.

“Please accept Him as your Lord and Savior.”

Nah, I’m good, thanks.

]]> By: Terry http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-11914 Terry Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:19:11 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-11914 I believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God and He is the only way to have eternal life. The Bible is God's Word. It is infallible. The Old Testament sacrifices were to atone for man's sins. God loves us so much that He had Jesus to die for us to atone for our sins. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice and took on the sins of mankind (past, present and future sins). The only way to be saved is faith in Jesus Christ. If there was physical, tangible proof that Christ exists there would be no need for faith. Christians are only human, they are not perfect, they also sin. By God's grace, our sins are forgiven. A true Christian life is joyful and has purpose. Why does an atheist feel the need to try to prove that God doesn't exist? We all have to believe in a lot of things that we cannot see or touch, (an example being the wind). If I live a Christian life and it turns out there is no God, I haven't lost anything. But if there is a God and there is a heaven and a hell, an atheist has lost everything. There will be no atheist in heaven or hell. The Bible says there every knee (including former atheists) will bow before God. God loves you whether you believe in Him or not. God is also a God of justice and He will have to judge everyone for what we have done. We do not know how long til Jesus returns for His people but He is coming back. Please accept Him as your Lord and Savior. I believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God and He is the only way to have eternal life. The Bible is God’s Word. It is infallible. The Old Testament sacrifices were to atone for man’s sins. God loves us so much that He had Jesus to die for us to atone for our sins. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice and took on the sins of mankind (past, present and future sins). The only way to be saved is faith in Jesus Christ. If there was physical, tangible proof that Christ exists there would be no need for faith. Christians are only human, they are not perfect, they also sin. By God’s grace, our sins are forgiven. A true Christian life is joyful and has purpose. Why does an atheist feel the need to try to prove that God doesn’t exist? We all have to believe in a lot of things that we cannot see or touch, (an example being the wind). If I live a Christian life and it turns out there is no God, I haven’t lost anything. But if there is a God and there is a heaven and a hell, an atheist has lost everything. There will be no atheist in heaven or hell. The Bible says there every knee (including former atheists) will bow before God.
God loves you whether you believe in Him or not. God is also a God of justice and He will have to judge everyone for what we have done. We do not know how long til Jesus returns for His people but He is coming back. Please accept Him as your Lord and Savior.

]]> By: James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-11859 James Smith João Pessoa, Brazil Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:45:29 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-11859 Christians have never hesitated to lie, distort and deceive to promote their idiocy. This issue is no different. If you want to see the Jesus myth, look up "Mithra". It is so similar that there can be no question to any rational mind that Jesus was copied almost entirely from Mithra. The frequently-documented fact that there is not even one contemporaneous account of Jesus doesn't disturb these liars one bit. The first mention of any "jesus" is decades after his "death". One would think that someone that was as influential as this figure, performing miracles, fomenting political upheaval, then publicly tried and executed would have had at least a brief mention in accounts of the day. But nooooo, not even a mention anywhere. It's as if, there were no accounts of Thomas Jefferson until the 1850s or later. Would we wonder if he really existed? But religion has enjoyed a free ride for far too long. You can't question it, tax it, or defy it without risking grave consequences. It's time to put this nonsense in it's rightful place as just another business with questionable ethics and shady practices. Christians have never hesitated to lie, distort and deceive to promote their idiocy. This issue is no different. If you want to see the Jesus myth, look up “Mithra”. It is so similar that there can be no question to any rational mind that Jesus was copied almost entirely from Mithra.

The frequently-documented fact that there is not even one contemporaneous account of Jesus doesn’t disturb these liars one bit. The first mention of any “jesus” is decades after his “death”. One would think that someone that was as influential as this figure, performing miracles, fomenting political upheaval, then publicly tried and executed would have had at least a brief mention in accounts of the day. But nooooo, not even a mention anywhere.

It’s as if, there were no accounts of Thomas Jefferson until the 1850s or later. Would we wonder if he really existed?

But religion has enjoyed a free ride for far too long. You can’t question it, tax it, or defy it without risking grave consequences. It’s time to put this nonsense in it’s rightful place as just another business with questionable ethics and shady practices.

]]> By: creationist http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-11392 creationist Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:52:54 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-11392 sorry i ment they. sorry i ment they.

]]> By: creationist http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-11391 creationist Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:52:35 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-11391 fred johnson, to the Romans, Jesus was just another common criminal, nothing new to them. the Priest who killed him wouldn't record it because if they did, they would be admitting Jesus was right in everything you said. Also read "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel for more info. fred johnson, to the Romans, Jesus was just another common criminal, nothing new to them. the Priest who killed him wouldn’t record it because if they did, they would be admitting Jesus was right in everything you said. Also read “The Case for Christ” by Lee Strobel for more info.

]]> By: Crumlish http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-11248 Crumlish Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:49:08 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-11248 I think that there probably was a man called Jesus who believed he was the son of God. Do i actually think he was the son of God? No. That's when things start to get a little ridiculus. There are plenty of people who claim nowadays that they are the son of God or Jesus reincarnated. Does it make it true? No. Does anyone really believe them? Well yes, although these happen to be mainly guilible and somewhat desperate people, but for the most part no. So what makes Jesus special? What qualifies him to be the son of God and not just like some mentally ill person who claims it now? That's where my issue lies. Is it because a bunch of guys wrote about him? And to be honest who really cares when they wrote it? It doesn't mean that he didn't exist. All it means is that he was ignored at the time he was alive because nobody with a few exeptions believed him much like the people making the same claims now. After he died somebody could have picked up on his story and wrote it down adding their own ideas into it. Then it could have gained more popularity and more and more could have wrote about him adding their own ideas and opinions as they went. Now isn't that the most plausible explanation. Not that he didn't exist but he did but nor was he the son of God, he only believed he was. And that humans, beautiful, fallible humans expanded upon this belief and the stories they may have heard about him and wrote it all down. Now to me that seems to be logical. Certainly more logical than there being a man called Jesus who was born of a virgin who was the son of God who perfomed miracles. Does that not just boggle all you logical Christians out there? Do you actually believe that the story of Jesus is true? Why, when I'm sure most of you don't believe anyone who claims to be the son of God and who claims to be able to perform miracles nowadays? Why can you be logical about it in that instance and not when it comes to Jesus? That is what truly fascinates me. I think that there probably was a man called Jesus who believed he was the son of God. Do i actually think he was the son of God? No. That’s when things start to get a little ridiculus. There are plenty of people who claim nowadays that they are the son of God or Jesus reincarnated. Does it make it true? No. Does anyone really believe them? Well yes, although these happen to be mainly guilible and somewhat desperate people, but for the most part no. So what makes Jesus special? What qualifies him to be the son of God and not just like some mentally ill person who claims it now? That’s where my issue lies. Is it because a bunch of guys wrote about him? And to be honest who really cares when they wrote it? It doesn’t mean that he didn’t exist. All it means is that he was ignored at the time he was alive because nobody with a few exeptions believed him much like the people making the same claims now. After he died somebody could have picked up on his story and wrote it down adding their own ideas into it. Then it could have gained more popularity and more and more could have wrote about him adding their own ideas and opinions as they went. Now isn’t that the most plausible explanation. Not that he didn’t exist but he did but nor was he the son of God, he only believed he was. And that humans, beautiful, fallible humans expanded upon this belief and the stories they may have heard about him and wrote it all down. Now to me that seems to be logical. Certainly more logical than there being a man called Jesus who was born of a virgin who was the son of God who perfomed miracles. Does that not just boggle all you logical Christians out there? Do you actually believe that the story of Jesus is true? Why, when I’m sure most of you don’t believe anyone who claims to be the son of God and who claims to be able to perform miracles nowadays? Why can you be logical about it in that instance and not when it comes to Jesus? That is what truly fascinates me.

]]> By: fred johnson http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-11228 fred johnson Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:39:24 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-11228 Good article a little short on details but the historical fact of the matter is Jesus was probably mythical. The Romans would have had extensive records on him especially if he was causing unrest and effecting their tax collecting efforts in the area. There are none. Good article a little short on details but the historical fact of the matter is Jesus was probably mythical. The Romans would have had extensive records on him especially if he was causing unrest and effecting their tax collecting efforts in the area. There are none.

]]> By: creationist http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-10919 creationist Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:24:53 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-10919 did you know that the only reasons you have morals is that you borrowed from the christians. i can give you proof that reasoning itself is a christian aspect. do you want some? did you know that the only reasons you have morals is that you borrowed from the christians. i can give you proof that reasoning itself is a christian aspect. do you want some?

]]> By: creationist http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-10918 creationist Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:23:02 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-10918 newly freed...if you turned your back on christ, you never knew him like i do. as for there being no evidence for christ, think on this. how can a religion so hated by the majority of the world for 2010 years since the day it started still survive? you will notice that christianity is one of the few religions that always survive persecution. look at china. crack down results in thousands of underground churches, and can other religions really truthfully say that every true christaian believer would rather die then give up his faith. not really, im sure you atheists would convert to islam if they held you at gunpoint. would a christian? a true one wouldn't. newly freed…if you turned your back on christ, you never knew him like i do. as for there being no evidence for christ, think on this.

how can a religion so hated by the majority of the world for 2010 years since the day it started still survive? you will notice that christianity is one of the few religions that always survive persecution. look at china. crack down results in thousands of underground churches, and can other religions really truthfully say that every true christaian believer would rather die then give up his faith. not really, im sure you atheists would convert to islam if they held you at gunpoint. would a christian? a true one wouldn’t.

]]> By: NewlyFreed http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-10779 NewlyFreed Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:52:27 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-10779 Hi, I am a new a-theist; less than a month. I was a born-again christian for over 20 years. Based on a number of things - including science - I realized that there are no gods. Even if there were/was, it would certainly not be the christian or jewish god. Because of ongoing exploration and discoveries in science we now know that humans have been walking on this world for over 150,000 years. Nothing in science points to humans only being here for 6,000 years or so. O Even though I have read the bible for two decades and participated in countless bible studies, I realized that the bible has lots of errors and contradictions. Either the entire bible is true or it is a piece of crap. Since it is not completely true, it is crap. It took me a week to get over the fact that I actually believed it for so long. I am now happy and free. And guess what? My morals are the same without god as with. Go figure. Until my recent deconversion I actually believed evolution was false. The bible is now (to me) clearly false with regards to how the universe developed. If god could have created this massive universe and so much life, and humans... and everything works so well... then why couldn't he create one book that is perfect? Which is more difficult? creating a book or creating the universe? We humans have never even concluded what the bible actually means. There are numerous christian sects/denominations. Each telling everyone else that they have the 'true interpretation' of the what god wants and thinks. Everyone else is not as 'enlightened' as our group. Even people attending the same church do not agree on every point. It would seem almost trivial that 'god' would have created one book that everyone could understand and agree upon (without torturing and murdering those who disagree). I want my money back - about 65K over the years. Where is the customer service dept for god? Thank god I am now an atheist! Don't worry former fellow-christians, I'm praying for your deconversion :) Hi,

I am a new a-theist; less than a month. I was a born-again christian for over 20 years. Based on a number of things – including science – I realized that there are no gods. Even if there were/was, it would certainly not be the christian or jewish god.

Because of ongoing exploration and discoveries in science we now know that humans have been walking on this world for over 150,000 years. Nothing in science points to humans only being here for 6,000 years or so. O

Even though I have read the bible for two decades and participated in countless bible studies, I realized that the bible has lots of errors and contradictions. Either the entire bible is true or it is a piece of crap. Since it is not completely true, it is crap. It took me a week to get over the fact that I actually believed it for so long. I am now happy and free. And guess what? My morals are the same without god as with. Go figure.

Until my recent deconversion I actually believed evolution was false. The bible is now (to me) clearly false with regards to how the universe developed.

If god could have created this massive universe and so much life, and humans… and everything works so well… then why couldn’t he create one book that is perfect? Which is more difficult? creating a book or creating the universe?

We humans have never even concluded what the bible actually means. There are numerous christian sects/denominations. Each telling everyone else that they have the ‘true interpretation’ of the what god wants and thinks. Everyone else is not as ‘enlightened’ as our group. Even people attending the same church do not agree on every point. It would seem almost trivial that ‘god’ would have created one book that everyone could understand and agree upon (without torturing and murdering those who disagree).

I want my money back – about 65K over the years. Where is the customer service dept for god?

Thank god I am now an atheist! Don’t worry former fellow-christians, I’m praying for your deconversion :)

]]> By: Andrew http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-10625 Andrew Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:19:07 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-10625 This 'tired' argument relies on two large fallacies: a) Shifting of goalposts in regards to what constitutes reliable attestation and b) argument from silence in suggesting what we 'should' have - we don't have half the documents that were written, we can only go on what we have, and as it stands, none of the extant references to Jesus deny that he existed. Indeed, the reference to counter-claims as found in Matthew corroborate his existence. That is, the extant hostile witness confirms it! There is quite a deal of attestation that comes from within a normally acceptable time-frame which the sceptic must first dismiss, which really just shows an agenda. This ‘tired’ argument relies on two large fallacies: a) Shifting of goalposts in regards to what constitutes reliable attestation and b) argument from silence in suggesting what we ’should’ have – we don’t have half the documents that were written, we can only go on what we have, and as it stands, none of the extant references to Jesus deny that he existed. Indeed, the reference to counter-claims as found in Matthew corroborate his existence. That is, the extant hostile witness confirms it!
There is quite a deal of attestation that comes from within a normally acceptable time-frame which the sceptic must first dismiss, which really just shows an agenda.

]]> By: Mercer http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-10228 Mercer Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:39:38 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-10228 Ok, so going back in time and seeing that everything was a big pile of BS, made me realise why Vaticans keeps their secret documents in a very safe place. If they would be released would change the humanity (just it's religion) entirely. Do a bit of research and you will understand. Christianity did a really good job to mask the truth. good on you guys!!! Ok, so going back in time and seeing that everything was a big pile of BS, made me realise why Vaticans keeps their secret documents in a very safe place. If they would be released would change the humanity (just it’s religion) entirely. Do a bit of research and you will understand. Christianity did a really good job to mask the truth. good on you guys!!!

]]> By: j rep http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-9589 j rep Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:32:40 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-9589 I agree that the claims of Jesus are a much better place to begin than his existence, Tim. That is the point I was trying to make (though unfortunately not to your level of quality!). Regarding his claim to be the son of God, Matthew 23:63-65, Mark 2:5-10, Mark 14:61-64, and John 10:25-39 in the RSV record instances of Jesus infuriating the religious leaders by claiming to be God or His equal. In fact, that is why he was killed according to the gospel accounts. This dual nature of his divinity and humanity is what separates him from other mortals and empowers him to perform the recorded signs and wonders. I also agree that many people who call themselves Christians deserve no respect for their behavior. I am sincerely sorry for their wrongs and misrepresentation. I agree that the claims of Jesus are a much better place to begin than his existence, Tim. That is the point I was trying to make (though unfortunately not to your level of quality!).
Regarding his claim to be the son of God, Matthew 23:63-65, Mark 2:5-10, Mark 14:61-64, and John 10:25-39 in the RSV record instances of Jesus infuriating the religious leaders by claiming to be God or His equal. In fact, that is why he was killed according to the gospel accounts.
This dual nature of his divinity and humanity is what separates him from other mortals and empowers him to perform the recorded signs and wonders.
I also agree that many people who call themselves Christians deserve no respect for their behavior. I am sincerely sorry for their wrongs and misrepresentation.

]]> By: leo http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/tired-christian-claim-3-the-evidence-for-the-existence-of-jesus-is-overwhelming/comment-page-2/#comment-9508 leo Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:34:11 +0000 http://www.thegoodatheist.net/?p=1582#comment-9508 As interesting as christian mythology is, it is just that, mythology :) There are no evidences for the existence of a Jesus, like described in the bible. The bible itself can't explain Jesus without omissions and contradictions :) Read it yourselves. A nice article about this topic may be found in: http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm?test4 As interesting as christian mythology is, it is just that, mythology :)
There are no evidences for the existence of a Jesus, like described in the bible. The bible itself can’t explain Jesus without omissions and contradictions :) Read it yourselves.
A nice article about this topic may be found in: http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm?test4

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