Rick Warren thinks atheists hate their dads


I’ve always found it amusing how religious folks try to peg atheists. Most of them think we don’t believe in God simply because we were spurned in some way, and in our pettiness, we rejected God. I won’t deny there are definitely more than a few atheists who essentially hold their views more out of spite than reason, but it’s certainly not true for most of us. Pastor Rick Warren would disagree with me. He’s got a rather strange idea of why certain prominent individuals reject the idea of God:

Paul Vitz, who is an author with New York University, wrote a very fascinating book called Faith Of The Fathers, in which he went and studied the 72 most well-known atheists in history, the Bertrand Russells, the Voltaires, the Freuds, and the only thing he could find in common with every one of them is they all hated their dads. Every one of them. They had distant dad, demeaning dad, a dead dad, they had no relationships with their fathers.

So I apparently hate my dad or something. Paul Vitz is a hack who thinks not believing in God is tantamount to a form of dementia, and Warren is the idiot who trusts his conclusions. Yeah, not believing a bearded anthropomorphic entity created human beings in ‘his’ image apparently means my family relationship was damaged in some way. I’m sure if Vitz bothered to actually spend some time with atheists, he’d realize most of us just come to reject the notion of God simply because it just DOESN’T FUCKING MAKE ANY SENSE! It’s a pretty easy conclusion, honestly.

Comments (8)

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    Oscar

    I am an atheist and I happen to hate my dad. But there is no causal link between my atheism and my hatred for my dad. There is a verse in the bible that says you have to hate your parents and other members of your family (Luke 14:26):

    If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    So there is a link between Christianity and hating your father.

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    Roxanne

    I personally have a great relationship with my dad… My mom on the other hand… Hmmm, maybe there’s an Oedipus complex associated with atheists! Crap! I fit the profile!

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    LB

    My real question is who decides to take these photos. And why is rick warren swimming fully clothed with that crazy look on his face?

    The man is nuts, don’t over think it.

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    Bastard Soap

    He seemed like he had his head screwed up right in the TED conference, guess I was wrong.

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    CybrgnX

    Actually I hated my dad when I was a christian and wanted him in HELL!!!
    And I even had thoughts of speeding his journey. But when I went skeptk to athiest and examined my life and his along with his childhood I reallized how christians hurt their children. I became very glad that he gave up his early religion and raised us to think. I realized his life was a sad thing and that for his personal journey was on the whole a lose.
    I think Rick protest too much…he found 4 athiest that hated their dads. Where they christians???? How many Xtians could be found that hate their dads?

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    Patrick

    My father and I have a pretty good relationship (I’m an atheist). In fact, when I was over his house for Easter this past Sunday (I call it “Free Food Day”) he tried to get me to go to his new church that has a hard-on for Warren. It was all in good sport, though.

    Well, I had a tough time trying to tell him that you can’t pick and choose your books in the Bible.

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    girl_a_saurus_rex

    i think it’s just another conservative push for the importance of a nuclear christian family. Seriously though? atheists hate their dads? do they also leave the seat up and return videos late?

    Jesus Christ that’s inane.

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    Rob R

    I commented on this hypothesis to a small group I am leading at my church as I have heard of it from several sources. Some of the people were skeptical of the claim. Thank you for posting this as I am now able to link my claim to the source.
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    I won’t deny that there are definitely more than a few atheists that essentially hold their views more out of spite than reason, but it’s certainly not true for most of us.
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    After checking up on what Paul Vitz had actually said, this claim is not what he’s arguing against. Vitz isn’t claiming that atheists don’t have any rational reasons for their atheism. His research is about psychological predisposers that would lead one to seek for those reasons in the first place.

    Secondly, Vitz does not claim that this will hold true for all atheists. He distinguishes mild atheists from intense atheists. Mild atheists, while they don’t believe in God, do not see their atheism as a major part of their identity and life. He is not making this claim about mild atheists. His study focuses on intense atheists who do see their atheism as part of their identity and vigorously promote it.

    3rd, Vitz does not see himself as claiming a psychological absolute. There will be people with what he has defined as “defective” fathers who will not become intense atheists. There may very well be intense atheists who do not hate their fathers. The question isn’t of absolutes but of tendencies and aspects of psychologically complex creatures.
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    I’m sure if Vitz bothered to actually spend some time with atheists,
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    He says he has friends who are atheists and atheistic colleagues whom he respects.
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    , he’d realize that most of us just come to reject the notion of god simply because it just DOESN’T FUCKING MAKE ANY SENSE! It’s a pretty easy conclusion, honestly.
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    It’s also pretty easy to believe in God and demonstrate the rationality of that belief. Of course in philosophy, it is said that any position can be made coherent for a price. And most of philosophy involves haggling over the price.

    My info on Vitz comes from this video at the following link:

    http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/psychology-of-atheism/

    FYI it’s late so I have only seen the first 10 minutes or so.

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