Don’t make laws you haven’t thought about

It’s almost uncomfortable to watch these people trying in vain to answer the question “If abortion was illegal, what should be done about women who violate this law?”. One woman simply wanted women who have had abortions to feel bad about. Well, I’m not aware of any woman who has exercised this option who did not at least wrestle with the decision. Many women I know are still upset by the decision.

One girl suggested women who have abortions should perhaps go to jail for murder, although it was obvious she had no real desire to see them incarcerated. But her basic platitudes about life would make that inevitable, even when she knew such actions were wrong. This is the danger of seeing the world in a black and white.

Also, note the last woman in the video, who seemed extremely uncomfortable with answering questions she had never considered before. She became increasingly cautious as it became obvious to her she was incapable of dealing with this moral question. She asks the interviewer to talk to a ‘more informed’ representative. Who could possibly feel right about anything if they have not considered all the facts? This is another classic example of the sheepishness of deeply religious individuals. They defer the responsibility of making ethical choices to their ‘representatives’. I have news for you if that’s the case: morality is a human activity. To absolve yourself from it means you are not part of the ethical process. In fact, removing yourself from the burden of choice makes all your actions unethical.

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    Aaron

    These pro-life people want to have their cake and eat it too.

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    JohnFrost

    That was, indeed, painful to watch. I wonder what my mom would say… She’s stood in those protests for years, and she harkens back to the good ol’ days when they cut peoples’ hands off for stealing.
    “Well, there’d be a lot less criminals!”
    Right, mom. Right…

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    Ben

    Good post Jacob! I actually agree with most of what you said :) However, I don’t think that deeply religious people are sheepish about this issue at all. I would actually argue the opposite. A deeply religous person, lets say a Christian (b/c they’re the big dog, right? lol), who actually knew what the Bible said about abortion wouldn’t be afraid to state his or her opinion on the matter. I think it’s the people who go to church as an obligation but with no real desire or passion are the people who react sheepishly, b/c they’re not really sure about what the Bible says, or that they’re afraid to debate the issue for fear of conflict.

    /end_ramble

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    AtheistDad

    This was fascinating. Thanks for posting.

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    Jacob Fortin

    It’s way too dangerous when people blindly follow the edict of any institution, period. It doesn’t matter if 9 times out of ten they get it right. If they fail even once, it means that their moral law is flawed and cannot be fully trusted. I trust people of sound judgment more than I trust any religious platitude.

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    JohnFrost

    So, Ben… what’s your opinion on the issue?

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    Ben

    @JohnFrost I’ve gone into my opinion a lot on this website, but I dont know if the post I commented on is on this site anymore. To sum up, I’m very against abortion, and I don’t have a problem with it being a capital crime.

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    JohnFrost

    Cool! Glad to know your practicing that whole, “Turn the other cheek,” “Judge not lest ye be judged” thing that Jesus was all about!

    I wonder, though, whether you are aware that, in the Old Testament, there are very specific laws for the penalties for different crimes–killing a man had one penalty, killing a slave had a much lesser penalty, killing an ox an even less, and destroying someone’s property the least of all.
    The Bible is very specific that, if you strike a woman and kill her, you are guilty of murder, but if you strike a woman and cause her to miscarry, you have to pay a fine as if you destroyed her property.

    You seemed to have very little respect for those Christians who made claims without knowing what the Bible really taught on the subject… just wondered if you were aware of those verses. I can dig up the scripture references, if you don’t believe me.

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    Ben

    1) Jesus was about turning the other cheek, however, He also made a whip and drove the moneychangers from the temple. As Christians, we’re not supposed to live in a way that allows everyone to walk all over us, rather we’re supposed to stand up for the things God cares about.

    2) Here’s why we don’t live under the Old Testament Law:

    Col 2:13-16 “[God] kindly forgave us all our trespasses and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us . . . Therefore let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath.”

    What you have to realize is that the New Testament overrides the Old as far as rules and regulations go (dietary, punishments, etc). It doesn’t mean that God no longer finds the action described in the law sinful, but He no longer requires the punishment that the law demands.

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    JohnFrost

    D’oh! If only the Holy Spirit had told Jesus that… He must be so embarassed that in Matthew 5:7 he said “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” Which seems to be a lot clearer support of the OT than that quote you gave overrides it, as you suggest.

    Seriously, though, Ben, I’m just teasing you. I think it’s kinda silly; I’m actually in a debate with a christian friend over this very issue, and her responses are exactly the same; a variety of versions of “God’s laws are absolute and unchanging! Except when he changes his mind, which is, like, every other chapter…”

    When you realize that the Bible was written by men and was edited and re-edited each time a particular faction wanted to push their own agenda, all the wierd contradictions suddenly make sense and you can see the Bible for what it is. When you try to force it to be some kind of holy artifact, it gets kinda wierd to explain why Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and then attacked people with a whip. Or why he told his disciples not to own swords (Mat 26:52), except that he told them to buy them(Luke 22:36)… It’s just silly!

    And the silliest part of all is that your comment doesn’t address my post at all–whether the OT law is passed away or not, the point was that in the OT, God considered a fetus to be property, not a living being. Am I to believe that he changed his mind on that, too?

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    JohnFrost

    (Here is that OT verse I was talking about; sorry I forgot to provide the reference: Exodus 21:22)

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